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Big fan of the "New Frontier" series. Got up to 'Treason' then fell off. Been wanting to pick up where I left off, but would have to re-read everything to catch back up.
Mac even got a toy in the Playmates' Star Trek line- as an exclusive to the fan club/ST Magazine.
Mac even got a toy in the Playmates' Star Trek line- as an exclusive to the fan club/ST Magazine.
Thanks to this thread for reminding me I need to find the one omnibus hardcover of New Frontier that I own. It's in a box somewhere. Did enjoy that series; in the first fiew books the interplay between Zak and Si Cwan is hilarious. A bit more antagonistic than G'kar and Londo from B5, but close.
In turn, I'll recommend another offshoot series: Star Trek: Corps of Engineers is pretty good, at least from the two omnibus editions I've plowed through. A little bit on the lighter side (most of the time), another series that uses less-common aliens, and plenty of good engineering-specific technobabble. Plus the odd Scotty cameo!
I've also got the Rihannsu series on my to-read stack. And SNW season 2 on my to-watch stack, along with trying to find physical copies of Prodigy and Lower Decks.
In turn, I'll recommend another offshoot series: Star Trek: Corps of Engineers is pretty good, at least from the two omnibus editions I've plowed through. A little bit on the lighter side (most of the time), another series that uses less-common aliens, and plenty of good engineering-specific technobabble. Plus the odd Scotty cameo!
I've also got the Rihannsu series on my to-read stack. And SNW season 2 on my to-watch stack, along with trying to find physical copies of Prodigy and Lower Decks.
I will always say Star Wars, is our present day rEaliTY, STar TRek is after our current civilization collapses.
'There Will Be Surprises': Star Trek: Strange New Worlds Season 3 Will Explore Different Genres (But No Musicals)
Ahead of the third season of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, the series' composer teases some surprises in store for fans.
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why
It might even make your captain smirk...
I'm glad I didn't read the full title first. The surprise was half the fun.
It reminded me of ice cream vans, so I thought it was Kirk travelling the galaxy, advertising the Federation's services to any planet or ship that "stopped them and bought one".
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I wonder if SNW will try that in a future episode?
Long post is long, 'cause I finally got to pick up my Into The Unknown starter! As a game, I'm still poring over the rules and how-to-play vids (FLGS dude recommended Crabbok's to me, on the youtubes) and having a think about it. Also as a game, be aware that the box does not include the full rulebook; the learn-to-play and campaign guides lead into the living rulebook on the Wizkids web site (alas, it's kind of hidden and lacks a printer-friendly mode). Million little tokens and markers and things that I think would be far tidier with - and I know this is heresy to the modern gamer unless you're Battletech - some kind of record sheets. May have to tinker some up if I don't find any on the web.
But I'll get to the game part of it eventually. First and foremost, I'm here for the models. WK has done a pretty damn good job with the prepaints here. They also pushed one of my specific buttons because they remembered the Constellation-class exists, and it's probably my favorite TNG non-hero ship design.
Here's what comes in the box:
There are a couple of deco things I can pick nits at right off the bat, but they're pretty minor. The more prominent one is that the Galaxy deflector dish is mostly red - the outermost ring should be blue; and weirdly the little inner ring correctly is. It won't be hard to touch up, but still. And I find it a little odd that the Enterprise and Defiant get the name on the hull (microscopically in Defiant's case), but Hathaway doesnt; the Constellation just has the NCC number.
Nitpicks aside, the Feds look really good, especially for mass-production prepaints. They've got a decent amount of paneling detail even if there isn't a lot of aztecing, grid lines on the Constellation, appropriate tons of lifeboats and windows on the Galaxy, and all the microscopic details on Defiant.
The Dominion ships are a really great metallic silver and gold with hits of purple and blue, and since they don't have legible markings it's all about the color patterns. Redecos of these molds would be easy as pie, and I'd love to see them with more purple.
In terms of actual QC, in my copy the Constellation's lower nacelles are a little out of whack and the sculpt there is very thin, so I'm leery of trying to fix it with heat or disassembly. It's not super obvious unless you're looking at the ship from dead on the side though. Overall, yeah, I can nitpick, but just on appearances this stuff is pretty good.
Some comparisons, then. Dominion ships with their Attack Wing counterparts (if you're not familiar, basically MicroMachines scale):
The ITU Jem'Hadar Fighters are actually a lot smaller than the AW models, and the Battlecruiser is...well, a very big boy. Not gonna lie, the large ships are so large that I kinda question using them in a 3'x3' game space - but they look so good.
And the Feds, though I don't have the matching classes for Attack Wing - here they are with the Excelsior and Akira from that game:
Again, mostly dwarfing the AW models, though I think the Defiant is actually about the same size. Also added in the regular Eaglemoss E-D, and the MicroMachines Constellation.
And yes, the Galaxy saucer separates:
The top of the stardrive cobra head is detailed, and only the little I-shaped tab that holds the sections together breaks the sculpt. Absolutely don't depend on it to hold the full ship together, you definitely want to use the stand under the saucer even in docked configuration.
I genuinely can't wait to see what else they come out with for this game, because if the model quality keeps up it'll be an easy way to get some great-looking desktop sized ships for way less than, say, aftermarket prices on the likes of Eaglemoss stuff.
I will pick on one elephant in the room: they also released the lovely - if screen-inaccurate - metallic Enterprise-D separately. Beautiful silver plus the great detail paintjob (though I didn't see if the deflector was still wrong). The hiccup with that one is only from a game perspective - it's still the E-D, with all the same game components that come in the starter for her. If it had been an unlabelled generic Galaxy class, or a different one, I might have jumped on it. But so far there's no sign of generic "X class" ships for the game, just named ones; and as for other ships of the class, I get it - what other Galaxy is someone not familiar with Trek going to know? I'm into Trek, and off the top of my head I can name a whole three ships and one character associated with one of them (Yamato and Captain Varley, Odyssey, and Venture). There's not enough recognition to do any of the others.
Nor for any of the other Feddie ships, really - Defiant could be Sao Paolo (no notable characters for crew) or Valiant (actual named characters, but they were a bunch of idiots who got themselves killed in their episode); Hathaway could be Stargazer (but the only big name character is Picard, and we already have the E-D). So yeah, not sure how they're going to re-use some of these ships, but hoping that somehow they can 'cause they're great just as models.
But I'll get to the game part of it eventually. First and foremost, I'm here for the models. WK has done a pretty damn good job with the prepaints here. They also pushed one of my specific buttons because they remembered the Constellation-class exists, and it's probably my favorite TNG non-hero ship design.
Here's what comes in the box:
There are a couple of deco things I can pick nits at right off the bat, but they're pretty minor. The more prominent one is that the Galaxy deflector dish is mostly red - the outermost ring should be blue; and weirdly the little inner ring correctly is. It won't be hard to touch up, but still. And I find it a little odd that the Enterprise and Defiant get the name on the hull (microscopically in Defiant's case), but Hathaway doesnt; the Constellation just has the NCC number.
Nitpicks aside, the Feds look really good, especially for mass-production prepaints. They've got a decent amount of paneling detail even if there isn't a lot of aztecing, grid lines on the Constellation, appropriate tons of lifeboats and windows on the Galaxy, and all the microscopic details on Defiant.
The Dominion ships are a really great metallic silver and gold with hits of purple and blue, and since they don't have legible markings it's all about the color patterns. Redecos of these molds would be easy as pie, and I'd love to see them with more purple.
In terms of actual QC, in my copy the Constellation's lower nacelles are a little out of whack and the sculpt there is very thin, so I'm leery of trying to fix it with heat or disassembly. It's not super obvious unless you're looking at the ship from dead on the side though. Overall, yeah, I can nitpick, but just on appearances this stuff is pretty good.
Some comparisons, then. Dominion ships with their Attack Wing counterparts (if you're not familiar, basically MicroMachines scale):
The ITU Jem'Hadar Fighters are actually a lot smaller than the AW models, and the Battlecruiser is...well, a very big boy. Not gonna lie, the large ships are so large that I kinda question using them in a 3'x3' game space - but they look so good.
And the Feds, though I don't have the matching classes for Attack Wing - here they are with the Excelsior and Akira from that game:
Again, mostly dwarfing the AW models, though I think the Defiant is actually about the same size. Also added in the regular Eaglemoss E-D, and the MicroMachines Constellation.
And yes, the Galaxy saucer separates:
The top of the stardrive cobra head is detailed, and only the little I-shaped tab that holds the sections together breaks the sculpt. Absolutely don't depend on it to hold the full ship together, you definitely want to use the stand under the saucer even in docked configuration.
I genuinely can't wait to see what else they come out with for this game, because if the model quality keeps up it'll be an easy way to get some great-looking desktop sized ships for way less than, say, aftermarket prices on the likes of Eaglemoss stuff.
I will pick on one elephant in the room: they also released the lovely - if screen-inaccurate - metallic Enterprise-D separately. Beautiful silver plus the great detail paintjob (though I didn't see if the deflector was still wrong). The hiccup with that one is only from a game perspective - it's still the E-D, with all the same game components that come in the starter for her. If it had been an unlabelled generic Galaxy class, or a different one, I might have jumped on it. But so far there's no sign of generic "X class" ships for the game, just named ones; and as for other ships of the class, I get it - what other Galaxy is someone not familiar with Trek going to know? I'm into Trek, and off the top of my head I can name a whole three ships and one character associated with one of them (Yamato and Captain Varley, Odyssey, and Venture). There's not enough recognition to do any of the others.
Nor for any of the other Feddie ships, really - Defiant could be Sao Paolo (no notable characters for crew) or Valiant (actual named characters, but they were a bunch of idiots who got themselves killed in their episode); Hathaway could be Stargazer (but the only big name character is Picard, and we already have the E-D). So yeah, not sure how they're going to re-use some of these ships, but hoping that somehow they can 'cause they're great just as models.
As its former captain, and high ranking officer in the Fleet, I am sure that he was aware that they removed the saucer from the planet, but never dreamed that it would be rebuilt.
I mean, you would need to be Geordi to do that. He had the position of Commadore, and was in charge of the fleet museum. He could sell the concept to the brass to let him piece together the ship that saved the Federation on multiple occasions for it. He would have plenty of parts and pieces from the wreckages and remnants of the Dominion War. Remember in that war, they would base attack wings around Galaxy class ships as their command/heavy hitter, so they were pumping out a lot of the War variant of that ship for several years. All of those ships gave him an option to get a replacement for the Star drive section.
Not too mention It had to be Geordi to do it, as he was one of the few Engineers that could actually rebuild the Enterprise D.
And it had to be Geordi to do it, as he would be one of the handful of people that would want to sink all of this time and effort into rebuilding the Enterprise D.
And plus Picard was out of Star Fleet for a decade so he was probably out of the loop. Riker and Troi were trying to keep their son alive, and were also out of the loop. Beverly was hiding Jack from the galaxy. Data was dead, and Worf was somehow losing the Enterprise E, to no fault of his own. Really, Worf might have known about it, but the rest of them, I doubt it.
I mean, you would need to be Geordi to do that. He had the position of Commadore, and was in charge of the fleet museum. He could sell the concept to the brass to let him piece together the ship that saved the Federation on multiple occasions for it. He would have plenty of parts and pieces from the wreckages and remnants of the Dominion War. Remember in that war, they would base attack wings around Galaxy class ships as their command/heavy hitter, so they were pumping out a lot of the War variant of that ship for several years. All of those ships gave him an option to get a replacement for the Star drive section.
Not too mention It had to be Geordi to do it, as he was one of the few Engineers that could actually rebuild the Enterprise D.
And it had to be Geordi to do it, as he would be one of the handful of people that would want to sink all of this time and effort into rebuilding the Enterprise D.
And plus Picard was out of Star Fleet for a decade so he was probably out of the loop. Riker and Troi were trying to keep their son alive, and were also out of the loop. Beverly was hiding Jack from the galaxy. Data was dead, and Worf was somehow losing the Enterprise E, to no fault of his own. Really, Worf might have known about it, but the rest of them, I doubt it.
And even without being high ranking, just knowing Starfleet regs and UFP law, he'd know the wreckage must be removed because there's a pre-industrial civilization on Veridian-4, and it's a Prime Directive issue.
I mean, they could have just destroyed it from orbit. That would have been a lot easier than removing it.
That's your solution to everything!
Me: "Predaking, you need to take the kitchen trash out"
Predaking: "Destroy it from orbit!"
Me: "Predaking, the dog needs to be fed."
Predaking: "Destroy it from orbit!"
Me: "Predaking, the xenomorph has killed all the colonists."
Predaki......you know, you were actually right on that one. I'll give it to you.
But what if any debris and other micro-contamination of the planet from alloys or other elements not native to the planet? I believe that would also contravene the same directives?
Well, you already had a giant impact damage there where it destroyed several miles of forest like a Sonic glacier. Anything left over could have been explained as you would here. A meteor crashed there, and that is what was left over.
Also, this would only affect the civilization that lived on the nearby planet in the solar system, so it wouldn't be immediately seen. What might be a bigger deal is that they saw the freaking warp core explosion of the Enterprise D.