Star Trek General Discussion

[Axaday]

As its former captain, and high ranking officer in the Fleet, I am sure that he was aware that they removed the saucer from the planet, but never dreamed that it would be rebuilt.

I mean, you would need to be Geordi to do that. He had the position of Commadore, and was in charge of the fleet museum. He could sell the concept to the brass to let him piece together the ship that saved the Federation on multiple occasions for it. He would have plenty of parts and pieces from the wreckages and remnants of the Dominion War. Remember in that war, they would base attack wings around Galaxy class ships as their command/heavy hitter, so they were pumping out a lot of the War variant of that ship for several years. All of those ships gave him an option to get a replacement for the Star drive section.

Not too mention It had to be Geordi to do it, as he was one of the few Engineers that could actually rebuild the Enterprise D.

And it had to be Geordi to do it, as he would be one of the handful of people that would want to sink all of this time and effort into rebuilding the Enterprise D.



And plus Picard was out of Star Fleet for a decade so he was probably out of the loop. Riker and Troi were trying to keep their son alive, and were also out of the loop. Beverly was hiding Jack from the galaxy. Data was dead, and Worf was somehow losing the Enterprise E, to no fault of his own. Really, Worf might have known about it, but the rest of them, I doubt it.

I agree with everything you said, but I recently saw the scene again on Facebook and Geordi explains to all of them that the saucer wasn't left behind because of the Prime Directive.

Out of universe I have been in discussion various times over the years about it and I cannot say that I KNEW they were going to have to retrieve it, but given what we know NOW, the senior staff of the ship all knew immediately and they were all in Starfleet for a long time after. They would have heard the news or perhaps even been in attendance when it was done.

It is possible that Picard would have thought it was a total loss, but wouldn't there have been news stories about the recovery that would've come up in their browsers that would've said it was retrieved largely intact? And do they all know there is a museum where NX-01, Enterprise-A, and the Bounty are all kept and wouldn't they have hoped that in some way their ship could get there?

 

[The Predaking]

I agree with everything you said, but I recently saw the scene again on Facebook and Geordi explains to all of them that the saucer wasn't left behind because of the Prime Directive.

Out of universe I have been in discussion various times over the years about it and I cannot say that I KNEW they were going to have to retrieve it, but given what we know NOW, the senior staff of the ship all knew immediately and they were all in Starfleet for a long time after. They would have heard the news or perhaps even been in attendance when it was done.

It is possible that Picard would have thought it was a total loss, but wouldn't there have been news stories about the recovery that would've come up in their browsers that would've said it was retrieved largely intact? And do they all know there is a museum where NX-01, Enterprise-A, and the Bounty are all kept and wouldn't they have hoped that in some way their ship could get there?

Well, after some more thought, the retrieval effort takes place not long after the crash, given that it is going on when Spock arrives at Kirk's grave. In that time period there is a lot going on. Federation goes to war with the Klingons then almost immediately goes to war with the Dominion. The Breen attack Earth and Betazed is conquered. All this while the crew gets transferred to a new class of starship with the Enterprise E.

Also, the Fleet museum would have been something totally different at that point too, since the original Space Dock was still at Earth. The ships might have been there in those wire repair bay style docks, but the saucer section was pretty much scrap when they took it off world.

 

[Axaday]

That's a fan film, but it probably was right away. Veridians wouldn't find it for some time, but if you leave it there anyone can come loot it.

 

[The Predaking]

That's a fan film, but it probably was right away. Veridians wouldn't find it for some time, but if you leave it there anyone can come loot it.

I don't know if it is canon or not. It's from the Roddenberry group, and was released about the same time we found out that the saucer section of D was recovered. I want to say that the Picard showrunner was even involved with this, IIRC.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

Aaaaaaannndddd...they'rrrrrrreeeeeee...baaaaaack....

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

Transparent aluminum: Tiny acid droplets turn metal into glass-like material

Transparent aluminum: Tiny acid droplets turn metal into glass-like material by Timothy James M. Dimacali, Ateneo de Manila University The researchers made transparent aluminum oxide (TAlOx) by applying microdroplets of acidic solution onto ordinary aluminum and applying a controlled electric cur...

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[Fullstrength Motleypuss]

So they made transparent aluminum by dropping acid? Maybe we should have listened to the Hippies a little more.

 

[Thefakelink]

It’s been a while since I saw ST IV but I thought of it recently, specifically the transparent aluminum scene. Did Scotty give him the formula and then they manufactured it right then and there for him? Or did Scotty give him the formula as payment for their standard materials? As a kid I always thought it was the former, and judging by that article above, that’s how it came across to some. But the dialogue seems to imply that the value to the manufacturer is in the formula. They’d need to figure out the logistics of manufacturing this new material, which the crew doesn’t have time for. Am I just very late to realize this?

 

[Donocropolis]

It’s been a while since I saw ST IV but I thought of it recently, specifically the transparent aluminum scene. Did Scotty give him the formula and then they manufactured it right then and there for him? Or did Scotty give him the formula as payment for their standard materials? As a kid I always thought it was the former, and judging by that article above, that’s how it came across to some. But the dialogue seems to imply that the value to the manufacturer is in the formula. They’d need to figure out the logistics of manufacturing this new material, which the crew doesn’t have time for. Am I just very late to realize this?

As a kid, I also thought the former, but have come to realize that it's the latter. Scotty provided the knowledge as payment for the standard, in-stock material.

 

[Agent X]

Scotty even says in the film:
"Is it worth something to ya, or, should I just press 'clear'?"

I even took that as the guy even covered the rental of the helicopter.

 

[Axaday]

They definitely used a piece of material that was already there.