The Nintendo Thread of Jumping, Slashing, and Home Decorating

Pocket

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Did you try to embed it using the media tag? I don't know if that's ever worked with Reddit, but if it has, I'd guess what changed is that they shut down all the APIs a couple years back.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Just a reminder that "No one will pay 80 bucks a game!" people.
FWIW, there was a very prominent rental market at the time. Especially compared to now.
 

Ironbite4

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Switch 2 PreOrders put on hold as Nintendo figures out the new price for things after Trump blew up the global economy.

Ironbite-WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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A rental market where game companies purposefully made games stupid in order to make it impossible to play the games decently. Lion King anyone. American RE 1?
Sure, but what I'm getting at is that despite the prices shown in those ads, I still got to play a number of those games featured, but only owned a smaller handful.
 

Steevy Maximus

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Did you try to embed it using the media tag? I don't know if that's ever worked with Reddit, but if it has, I'd guess what changed is that they shut down all the APIs a couple years back.
The board autoformatted the media tag. When I posted my original message, I just slapped the links in.

I’m not going to mess with discussion on the preorder delay. We really don’t know anything besides Nintendo is “re-evaluating the situation” because of the tariffs. That could mean ANYTHING from a price increase to trying to find venues in Canada or Mexico to recieve overseas shipments. There would still be duties, but the cost might be lower? I don’t know, we’ll find out at some point before June 5th.

In terms of pricing, here’s my general take:
The Console: While I still think $400 is the ideal spot, $450 is…tolerable. I still feel the performance is MORE than supportive of that, with relative performance not far off from the Xbox Series S (if not possibly better in some situations due to the newer Nvidia GPU tech), and it’s portable with a solid screen and fancy JoyCon tech.

The Games: We’ve been told/heard or been implied over the past decade how unsustainable the current AAA game structure is. Hell, Nintendo is one of the few that still does what would be considered “AA” games. Again, I was more surprised to see NINTENDO be the ones to pull the trigger on a game priced higher than $70, than the existence of a game priced higher than that to begin with. That said, I am FAR more amicable to pay these prices for Nintendo titles than from anyone else. We’ve seen premium games force in more and more gacha mechanics to squeeze every dollar from consumers, or companies continue to chase that live service white whale.
A Nintendo release has my confidence in being a complete experience, relatively polished, and probably a solid bit of practical post-release support.
 

Tm_Silverclaw

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The board autoformatted the media tag. When I posted my original message, I just slapped the links in.

I’m not going to mess with discussion on the preorder delay. We really don’t know anything besides Nintendo is “re-evaluating the situation” because of the tariffs. That could mean ANYTHING from a price increase to trying to find venues in Canada or Mexico to recieve overseas shipments. There would still be duties, but the cost might be lower? I don’t know, we’ll find out at some point before June 5th.

In terms of pricing, here’s my general take:
The Console: While I still think $400 is the ideal spot, $450 is…tolerable. I still feel the performance is MORE than supportive of that, with relative performance not far off from the Xbox Series S (if not possibly better in some situations due to the newer Nvidia GPU tech), and it’s portable with a solid screen and fancy JoyCon tech.

The Games: We’ve been told/heard or been implied over the past decade how unsustainable the current AAA game structure is. Hell, Nintendo is one of the few that still does what would be considered “AA” games. Again, I was more surprised to see NINTENDO be the ones to pull the trigger on a game priced higher than $70, than the existence of a game priced higher than that to begin with. That said, I am FAR more amicable to pay these prices for Nintendo titles than from anyone else. We’ve seen premium games force in more and more gacha mechanics to squeeze every dollar from consumers, or companies continue to chase that live service white whale.
A Nintendo release has my confidence in being a complete experience, relatively polished, and probably a solid bit of practical post-release support.

Also.. Unlike EVERYONE ELSE closing Studios.. Nintendo actually gave their employees a 10 percent raise.

Also I still have to remind people that the "Great alternative!!!! THE STEAM DECK!" is still 600 dollars for it's "BEST" version which.. as far as we can tell.. is FAR behind the Switch 2.
 

Steevy Maximus

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Also.. Unlike EVERYONE ELSE closing Studios.. Nintendo actually gave their employees a 10 percent raise.

Also I still have to remind people that the "Great alternative!!!! THE STEAM DECK!" is still 600 dollars for it's "BEST" version which.. as far as we can tell.. is FAR behind the Switch 2.
Yeah, many of the opinion pieces that have popped up seem a bit detached from reality for a LOT of us. I saw one writer speak up the merits of Game Pass and game streaming (if you have service stable and robust enough for it outside a metropolitan area). Many have argued about the "cheaper prices" for games...which is only true in a very narrow fashion. Unless you catch a sale, most games on PC aren't appreciably cheaper than console (yMMV), and if you want to play the newest games, prices are still pushing $70+ depending on which "extra edition" you get sucked into.

Hardware (especially if Nintendo puts any additional pricing due to tariffs) isn't AS compelling as it was for the original. My half assed searching on Best Buy gave me a rough average between 599 to 799, barring sales/specials. Anything cheaper were AyaNeo stuff running on glorified phone hardware and some wacked version of Android. And all the other options were running the bloatfest called Windows as their OS.

Assuming Nintendo can keep the price with game to around $500-550, I think it still presents a strong proposition. I think a LOT of the naysayers are taking a "singular platform" approach that isn't applicable anymore. I have 3 major platforms for games. I think it is FAR more likely that Switch sales have been to "supplemental" buyers than those who solely game on the Switch (not saying those consumers aren't there). The Switch 2 is basically "the Switch you have, but you can play newer/more recent games" largely represents the concept. Whether that is enough or people will pay for replacing what they got? That remains to be seen.


I'm actually a touch sad that the Switch performance jump has been so high. One of the joys with the original WAS the fact it was so underpowered compared to the then-competition, much less the impending follow ups. I think those restrictions resulted in some fresh games getting the spotlight that wouldn't have otherwise, and more novel conversions (with some being particularly impressive) that weren't just a straight "this same game as everywhere else". The fact we have the Series S as a "baseline" of sorts, I feel that some of the unique flavor of the library is going to get, if not lost, then overshadowed by ports for much more heavily marketed games.
 

Glitch

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It's performance is better then I expected, I thought we'd get something between a PS4 Pro and a Xbox One X - which is no bad thing - but it's close to the current consoles. Now imagine the games Nintendo will make with it, Breath of the Wild was a Wii U game, Tears of the Kingdom a Switch game now imagine a similar one for Switch 2. Miyamoto once said he thinks Pikmin would look great in 4K, now he could realize it for Pikmin 4.
 

Tm_Silverclaw

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It's performance is better then I expected, I thought we'd get something between a PS4 Pro and a Xbox One X - which is no bad thing - but it's close to the current consoles. Now imagine the games Nintendo will make with it, Breath of the Wild was a Wii U game, Tears of the Kingdom a Switch game now imagine a similar one for Switch 2. Miyamoto once said he thinks Pikmin would look great in 4K, now he could realize it for Pikmin 4.

Anyone notice they keep avoiding playing Cyberpunk on the Steam Deck in these comparisons?
 

Caldwin

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Does anyone ever do comparisons with Steam? Most of the ones I see only compare consoles. I mean, there are acceptions of course, but generally I don't usually see Steam comparisons.
 

Tm_Silverclaw

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Does anyone ever do comparisons with Steam? Most of the ones I see only compare consoles. I mean, there are acceptions of course, but generally I don't usually see Steam comparisons.

I wasn't asking for a "Steam Comparison" I was asking "Steam Deck" a very specific system that users kept trying to compare to the original switch. Seems like it's time to do the reverse.
 

Glitch

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Here's one exception.
But expect more to come when the system releases.

Now imagine if/when Capcom present(ed) Resident Evil 4 or Dead Rising Deluxe Remastered in decent shape on Switch 2 on the basis that users claim Steamdeck doesn't handle them well.
 
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Pocket

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Nintendo has one major advantage over all of the competition: their consoles are the only gaming devices that support a texture compression algorithm called ASTC. It was created for phones and tablets to accommodate their small memory and storage limits, which means the Switch can cram more visual detail into its comparatively small VRAM, as well as onto comparatively small cards. Hypothetically any manufacturer could introduce support for it, but any game that used it would not be backward compatible with anything older. The Switch already wasn't backward compatible with anything so it didn't matter. Texture compression isn't like JPEG or MPEG where anything without hardware-level support can just brute force the decompression in the CPU; this is data that gets loaded into VRAM and then uncompressed on the fly every frame, so it needs GPU decoding to work without becoming a huge bottleneck.
 
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Steevy Maximus

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More press is coming out about Super Nintendo World at Universal Orlando. Donkey Kong Country is getting a lot of love for Minecart Madness (which even features a Pikmin cameo!)

I’m still a little sad that they will probably NEVER make an expansion for Nintendo’s sci-fi properties. Base it on Mute City from F-Zero, anchor it with a dueling coasters ride based on F-Zero. Other attractions that come to mind:
Arwing Trainer- a “younger kid” ride (think Dumbo or Aladdin’s Carpets from Disney) based on Star Fox. Maybe spruce it up with limited controls and a display where riders would actually “shoot down” targets. Make it part of a scoring system to integrate with the other game elements they’ve integrated into this section.
Galactic Expeditions- A dark ride (Transformers) or simulator (Star Tours) where you join the Galactic Federation on a planetary expedition. Obviously, pirates attack and you have to run from them and hide in the new planet. Ultimately, Samus Aran saves you and gets you home.

And maybe throw some Pikmin in there from Olimar’s ship because, why not? Sadly, something for Zelda is FAR more likely, if the parks ever do get further expanded.


Also, looking at the Dark Universe stuff, GAWD I wish they’d managed to snap some stuff from Castlevania, even if just a stage show or something like that. If nothing else, I’d love to see them actually call a food item “wall meat”.
 


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