Thread of Thoughts, Questions (and Maybe Even Answers) That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread

lastmaximal

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Oh, I sure wasn't absolving Japan of any sketchiness in general with that.
 

Exatron

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Ah there we go.

Yeah even as a younger fan this never struck me as "of course, Japan", more a foreign-language thing (and, as unluckiness points out, it makes more sense coming from "breastplate" anyway). The only real use of it in a "huh huh huh huh, you said breast" sense I've ever seen is from The English-speaking Side Of The Fandom Who Should Really Know Better.
There is nothing better to know than things to say that will agitate my wife. :LOL:
 

Sabrblade

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Someone once suggested that Hasbro should have just dropped the first R and called them "Beastforce" instead, but apparently another company already has ownership of that name.
 

lastmaximal

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Make them Decepticon elites calling themselves the Bestforce.

Or perennially recharging or chilling back at base and derisively named the Restforce.

Or do an Ellbat and just drop the first few letters to nod to their Asian origins, calling them the Eastforce.

Or baffle everyone by Aligned-ing them and just calling everyone Deployers.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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FOOL! GALVATRON'S CANNON CAN BE ANY BODY PART IT WA--
*Cyclonus and Scourge rush in to desperately try to keep Galvatron from placing it between his legs*

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"Please, mighty one, you'll get us taken off the air!"

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"PAH! Fine, have it your way..."

Also, placement is such a weird thing for me, because I can never decide. Cartoon and comics say forearm, original toy says bicep.

What's weird is how this doesn't seem like a problem with Megatron at all. It fits his forearm, and it just works.
 

unluckiness

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I think Takara dropper tooled his crotch from that screenshot and used it as the basis of all their Galvatron toys.
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Character model says mostly bicep but looks to be closer to his antecubital area (the depression opposite the elbow) in appearance.
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Doesn't help that the toy's arms are 80% bicep.
 

Exatron

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What's weird is how this doesn't seem like a problem with Megatron at all. It fits his forearm, and it just woworks.
The mounting point for Megatron's cannon is in the middle of the cannon. Towards the back end, sure, but you've got that big section at the back that flares out behind where it mounts to his arm. Lets it mount to his forearm without dragging on the ground if he lets his arm hang down.

Galvatron's cannon is mostly orange barrel, with the mounting point being the gray part all the way at the back end. If the cannon is similar in size to Megatron's, it sticks out a whole lot further past his arm, which then just becomes awkward. Add in that Galvatron's cannon often appears longer and thinner compared to Megatron's shorter and stubbier cannon, and they just don't quite work out the same.
 

lastmaximal

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Never really focused on it before, but the cannon shape also seems to change a little between modes -- cannon mode has the curved part tapering more to the simpler cylinder that then plugs into the crown base. The robot mode mounted cannon seems to be one continuous curve.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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While the animation model shows it attached to his lower bicep, various shots move it to the side of the arm or the side of top of the forearm as needed to get it out of the way or whatever pose angle they were going for. Since the Legacy/SS mold has ports on both, I just move it wherever I feel like at the moment. Although, the toy having a slot in the bicep port to align it parallel to the arm suggests that's the intended place for it.
 

Cybersnark

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The Breastforce's Breast Animals are basically animalistic drones who share a similar relationship to their larger masters as Soundwave's minions do to him, but somewhat less intelligent than the cartoon versions of Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, and Ratbat, acting basically like pure animals loyal to their masters but with little-to-no actual free will or higher cognitive functions of their own.
Oddly, looking at the toys, it almost feels like it could be the other way around, given how they're all named for their breast animals rather than for their own identities.

It feels like the breast animals could be the actual brains, just using humanoid transtectors to blend into Cybertronian society. . .
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Passing thought...

Something that's kinda bugged me is how, in Japan, a character might get a release that's meant to be more accurate to how they appeared in the original cartoon than the original toys were, but then the media (i.e. manga) would basically treat it like a new body/form, distinct from the original.

For instance, the new form of Unicron in the Generations Selects Special Comic, which was based on the WFC Trilogy HasLab Unicron, which -- unless I missed something -- was supposed to be our first-ever large transforming toy of Unicron as he appeared in the 1986 movie. I know the details weren't perfect, but there's only so much that can be done within reason, yeah?

It's like, if those manga continued, I would not be surprised if stuff like the Studio Series '86 toys, meant to represent the characters as they appeared in Transformers: The Movie, would probably be used as new forms for the characters. Galvatron with his spaceship guns, for instance, and he'd probably steal the Matrix and put it on a chain again, just because the toy has it, and he transforms a little differently, with the arm part for his cannon going on his back now.

I bet Studio Series '86 Optimus would be a new form for him, too.

I think what bugs me -- and only just this niggling little bit when I see it happen, mind; it's not like it keeps me up at night -- is the fact that this effectively means that in some weird way, the only representation the original versions of these character then have (at least in that continuity) is the original toys, which as we all know, sometimes barely looked at all like the cartoon versions the new toys are trying to represent!

And yet, at the same time, I find it kinda endearing in some sort of weird way? Like every version has a place in the grand scheme of things, I guess?

I dunno, it just strikes me as a strange little thing they would do.
 

Sabrblade

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Passing thought...

Something that's kinda bugged me is how, in Japan, a character might get a release that's meant to be more accurate to how they appeared in the original cartoon than the original toys were, but then the media (i.e. manga) would basically treat it like a new body/form, distinct from the original.

For instance, the new form of Unicron in the Generations Selects Special Comic, which was based on the WFC Trilogy HasLab Unicron, which -- unless I missed something -- was supposed to be our first-ever large transforming toy of Unicron as he appeared in the 1986 movie. I know the details weren't perfect, but there's only so much that can be done within reason, yeah?

It's like, if those manga continued, I would not be surprised if stuff like the Studio Series '86 toys, meant to represent the characters as they appeared in Transformers: The Movie, would probably be used as new forms for the characters. Galvatron with his spaceship guns, for instance, and he'd probably steal the Matrix and put it on a chain again, just because the toy has it, and he transforms a little differently, with the arm part for his cannon going on his back now.

I bet Studio Series '86 Optimus would be a new form for him, too.

I think what bugs me -- and only just this niggling little bit when I see it happen, mind; it's not like it keeps me up at night -- is the fact that this effectively means that in some weird way, the only representation the original versions of these character then have (at least in that continuity) is the original toys, which as we all know, sometimes barely looked at all like the cartoon versions the new toys are trying to represent!

And yet, at the same time, I find it kinda endearing in some sort of weird way? Like every version has a place in the grand scheme of things, I guess?

I dunno, it just strikes me as a strange little thing they would do.
That's basically all on part of Hayato Sakamoto himself, being that he was the artist in addition to the writer of those manga.

On the opposite end of the spectrum is Yuki Ohshima preferring to draw the G1 cartoon characters in accordance to their original toy designs, in spite of how their character models differed from those toy designs.

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Basically making them all look like Missing Link toys.
 


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