Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[wonko the sane?]

Colombia set the terms for the problems trump is making: and colombians don't get treated like cattle when being deported. Would it better if none of this was happening? Yup, but succeeding in making sure your people are treated like actual people is still a win.

 

[M. Virion]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/01/27/white-house-pauses-federal-grants/

President Trump's federal funding freeze hits Medicaid in Illinois, slated to disrupt vast array of programs

The temporary federal freeze has shut Illinois out of Medicaid, according to Gov. JB Pritzker's office. The government-funded health insurance program covered about 3.9 million people in Illinois in 2023, including low-income adults, children, pregnant women and people with disabilities.

chicago.suntimes.com

Medicaid is frozen and shut down in Illinois, they're just the first to report it, but I'm hearing it's happening across the board.

This is going to kill so many people. I hope those who voted for Trump understand these deaths are on their hands.

 

[Ungnome]

Quite a few Trump supporters USE Medicaid.... It's beyond stupid...

 

[Rhinox]

I do wonder what the end goal of this particular move is. This is exactly the kind of thing that sends people to the streets with torches and pitchforks. And there isn't really a way Trump can spin this onto someone else. This was executive order. (an illegal one, as Congress spends the money, not the president, but I digress)

What comes next? We're literally one day into week 2. FFS.

 

[M. Virion]

Beyond just human lives, the amount of jobs dependent on federal funding goes WAY beyond what one would expect.

If this holds we're potentially going to see a depression by summer.

Just had confirmation Medicaid portals are down Florida as well. This is for sure all 50 states. Just beyond evil.

 

[Anonymous X]

Beyond just human lives, the amount of jobs dependent on federal funding goes WAY beyond what one would expect.

If this holds we're potentially going to see a depression by summer.

I mean, not just over your side of the lake, but all over the world. Everything is interconnected. A global recession (at minimum) seems inevitable this year.

 

[Corvus]

Beyond just human lives, the amount of jobs dependent on federal funding goes WAY beyond what one would expect.

If this holds we're potentially going to see a depression by summer.

Just had confirmation Medicaid portals are down Florida as well. This is for sure all 50 states. Just beyond evil.

I've seen multiple comments on both Bluesky and Reddit, and reports from NBC and Reuters that the reimbursement portals of all 50 states are indeed affected. I have yet to confirm for myself the truth of this, but it passes the basic sniff test.

 

[M. Virion]

Hearing the official WH line is this is a glitch. But a glitch, the day after an EO that would precisely affect these systems was signed, and came out of 'no where'?

Hogwash.

Incompetence at best. More likely got more backlash than expected and are trying to walk it back.

 

[wonko the sane?]

So... trumps cult is giving him credit for the rain in california, and claiming the fires are out.

It's literal insanity.

 

[abates]

I thought it was the Democrats who had control over the weather. Did he wrestle Chuck Schumer for control of it?

 

[Pale Rider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1884312291858104625

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/

 

[Patch]

I already miss Biden. Some people are nostalgic for when grocery prices were lower, I'm nostalgic for when the president wasn't constantly trying to cause a constitutional crisis.

 

[Axaday]

Colombia set the terms for the problems trump is making: and colombians don't get treated like cattle when being deported. Would it better if none of this was happening? Yup, but succeeding in making sure your people are treated like actual people is still a win.

I feel virtually certain that the USA is still treating them exactly the same right up until Colombia gets them and Trump doesn't give a tiny, tiny care what Colombia does with them after that.

 

[NovaSaber]

Claiming that something which is in the constitution is unconstitutional should be grounds for immediate removal on the "mentally unfit for the job" criteria.

No impeachment, no criminal trial (until afterward), no long process; just being immediately fired for being so obviously unqualified.

 

[Ironbite4]

I do wonder what the end goal of this particular move is. This is exactly the kind of thing that sends people to the streets with torches and pitchforks. And there isn't really a way Trump can spin this onto someone else. This was executive order. (an illegal one, as Congress spends the money, not the president, but I digress)

What comes next? We're literally one day into week 2. FFS.

I was hearing that it's so he can go line by line and see where money is going to make sure the dirty transgenders and DEI hires aren't getting any. Because a man who's bankrupt 3 casinos is the man I want doing finances.

Federal judge temporarily blocks Trump administration freeze on federal grants and loans

A federal judge has temporarily blocked a Trump administration freeze on federal grants and loans that could total trillions of dollars. U.S. District Judge Loren L.

apnews.com

Ironbite-thank god there are still a few adults on the bench that can stop him...if only for a second.

 

[wonko the sane?]

I feel virtually certain that the USA is still treating them exactly the same right up until Colombia gets them and Trump doesn't give a tiny, tiny care what Colombia does with them after that.

No, their not. Deportation flights used to be done on civilian airliners, without keeping people in hand and leg cuffs. Not on military planes, not under military supervision. The air force IS NOT customs enforcement and should never be used as such.

What a receiving country does after a deportation is never a problem for the deporting country... unless the person was there under refugee or asylum status. It's technically a crime to send a person somewhere that they could be killed.

 

[Axaday]

"birthright citizenship is unconstitutional" is a terrible way to frame it. I hope that's what his lawyers say when they get heard in court.

I had previously believed and said that the courts are just going to slap this thing down and Trump was going to be able to say the did his part and it would end there, but I am feel less sure. I'm going to tread weird ground here, so I'm writing a preamble. I oppose this. I oppose it because it is a tentpole in a campaign of racial scapegoating that will cause and exacerbate a lot of social problems in our country. Much bigger problems than the ones it seeks to solve, so we would be better off just leaving it alone.

I begin to believe this is really going to pass. Most discussion I see acts like it puts everything up in the air, but the EO is pretty precise. I wouldn't have been surprised if they had looked for a way to unto Obama. But perhaps they did look and his case was really too solid. The EO only excludes people who were born in the US with neither parent a citizen or legal permanent resident. If that were how the 14th Amendment had said it, I am very doubtful that people would openly argue now that the rules should be changed to include children of people who snuck over the border.

When the 14th Amendment was written, no one was sneaking in because no one was being turned away. The writers would have had no concept of this application. If it were being decided by REAL strict-constructionist (it won't be) the snag would be that the Amendment was not intended to address this topic at all. The people it was written to make citizens were born to legal permanent residents. The strict-constructionist would have to say that nothing in the Constitution addresses this and Congress needs to write a law or Amendment. But I don't think we have any strict-constructionists on the Supreme Court. They will decided this according to how they believe it should work in the present and I don't know exactly what any of the justices think about this, but 6-3 gives Trump a margin for surprises.

 

[Axaday]

No, their not. Deportation flights used to be done on civilian airliners, without keeping people in hand and leg cuffs. Not on military planes, not under military supervision. The air force IS NOT customs enforcement and should never be used as such.

What a receiving country does after a deportation is never a problem for the deporting country... unless the person was there under refugee or asylum status. It's technically a crime to send a person somewhere that they could be killed.

I'm not sure what you think I meant. You seem to be replying to something else. I will rephrase.

I don't think Colombia won anything meaningful. They did not get Trump to treat the deportees with an ounce more respect. They just moved forward the time that Colombia could treat them better. I am virtually certain that they are still being brought to the plane in restraints and at no time are US personnel treating them any better than before this disagreement with Colombia.

 

[Patch]

"birthright citizenship is unconstitutional" is a terrible way to frame it. I hope that's what his lawyers say when they get heard in court.

I had previously believed and said that the courts are just going to slap this thing down and Trump was going to be able to say the did his part and it would end there, but I am feel less sure. I'm going to tread weird ground here, so I'm writing a preamble. I oppose this. I oppose it because it is a tentpole in a campaign of racial scapegoating that will cause and exacerbate a lot of social problems in our country. Much bigger problems than the ones it seeks to solve, so we would be better off just leaving it alone.

I begin to believe this is really going to pass. Most discussion I see acts like it puts everything up in the air, but the EO is pretty precise. I wouldn't have been surprised if they had looked for a way to unto Obama. But perhaps they did look and his case was really too solid. The EO only excludes people who were born in the US with neither parent a citizen or legal permanent resident. If that were how the 14th Amendment had said it, I am very doubtful that people would openly argue now that the rules should be changed to include children of people who snuck over the border.

When the 14th Amendment was written, no one was sneaking in because no one was being turned away. The writers would have had no concept of this application. If it were being decided by REAL strict-constructionist (it won't be) the snag would be that the Amendment was not intended to address this topic at all. The people it was written to make citizens were born to legal permanent residents. The strict-constructionist would have to say that nothing in the Constitution addresses this and Congress needs to write a law or Amendment. But I don't think we have any strict-constructionists on the Supreme Court. They will decided this according to how they believe it should work in the present and I don't know exactly what any of the justices think about this, but 6-3 gives Trump a margin for surprises.

Someone spoke with a law professor about this and his take was that it's both unconstitutional (contradicts the 14th amendment) and unilateral (this is the same court that said forgiving even a small amount of student loan debt was a step too far for Biden's executive power).

Normally I don’t make predictions. That’s a hazardous business. But I will say the Court will certainly reject as illegal this order. Now, they might only say, “Look, it’s illegal because the president can’t do this sort of thing on his own,” and they might not talk about the constitutional question at all. But you’ll get at least seven votes for a Supreme Court opinion striking this down.

I think what we will probably see is the conservatives on the SC throwing him a bone in their opinions and gesturing at what he could do to make this happen.

 

[NovaSaber]

When the 14th Amendment was written, no one was sneaking in because no one was being turned away. The writers would have had no concept of this application.

Which means that restricting immigration at all is "not grounded in tradition", right?