Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[NovaSaber]

More literal Nazi jive

The US is talking about mass sterilisation – again

A senior US government official has called for “lower quality humans” to be sterilised en masse – his country has been here before

yorkshirebylines.co.uk

 

[Axaday]

Depends on where they're at, but not typically. Those are ticketable offenses, not arrestable offenses.
This could be used as an arrestable offense.

Again, this is a maneuver designed to add one more thing that people can be charged with. If it was a monetary fine, I'd call it a money grab, but that's not what they're going for. This is going to be used to generate reasonable suspicion/PC so people of any ethnicity can be held while they're "checked out", searched, subject to the whole indignity of the initial contact with the criminal justice system and leave them with no recourse.

Right now if a cop sees a group of latino people standing alongside the road by a Home Depot, they can suspect a lot. They can approach and attempt a conversation, but they have no standing to demand papers or anything like that.
With something like this, that cop can demand IDs or hold people under that suspicion until they're checked out and even then they can be charged with interference or some other bullshit cops pull when they're trying to be dicks.

That's really stupid. I have always assumed that if they got caught they were going to get removed. In an ideal situation, I really think that SHOULD be how it works. I mean, I'm not backing Trump's crackdown because it is a political stunt built on the back of racial scapegoating. I think the whole thing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up and the people who are already here brought in out of the cold as one of the steps. But if we had a system where we actually paid attention to how many immigrants we ought to be letting in and a straightforward system that also took refugees into account, THEN I would say anyone found in violation ought to be removed. Why even say "they aren't allowed to just do this" if there isn't a mechanism to do anything about it?

I guess is it because every political leader until Trump understood that it was a system that worked really well, but it only works if it is illegal, so you can talk and talk but you need to not break it?

 

[wonko the sane?]

People have been calling for the US's immigration system to be rebuilt since reagan at least. But the citizens united ruling turned money into voice; and multibillion dollar, multinational corporations have enough voice to say "we want illegals as a cheap, endless, source of disposable labour" and then PUNISH the illegals when they ultimately get caught instead of going after the social, cultural and economic conditions that lead to the exploitation.

A system the US's economy now entirely relies on.

But hey: people who aren't really considered people in the US are the ones who suffer from it, so no ones about to change it NOW, especially with the guy who literally abuses illegal labour in his properties across the entire country.

They tried to pass a reform bill in the during the dying days of american democracy, a couple of months ago, but of course: republicans refused to cooperate cause trump wanted to campaign on punishing illegals instead of actually doing something about it.

 

[Axaday]

Trump wants to offer wealthy immigrants ‘gold cards’ for $5 million

President Donald Trump wants to offer wealthy immigrants “gold cards,” offering to sell them the possibility of citizenship for $5 million.

apnews.com

Citizenship is for sale.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

It's Trump. Everything is for sale.

 

[Rhinox]

It is telling that corporations are afforded more human rights in america than immigrants and refugees

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Corporations can buy more rights.

 

[Dekafox]

Some interesting speculation on the Fort Knox stuff: https://stephaniekelton.substack.com/p/the-real-reason-trump-and-musk-are

tl;dr is Trump would be showing off the gold to put the idea out there that it's undervalued, then use that as justification to "re-value" it in the nation's balance books to create ~$1 Trillion out of nowhere to dump into his personal schemes.

Also: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...rnment-efficiency-cost-efficiency-initiative/
All federal credit cards are frozen for the next 30 days except for disaster relief efforts, while DOGE does DOGE stuff.

 

[Axaday]

While I am sure Trump doesn't understand what the gold in Ft Knox is all about, I don't think it was his idea at all. It appears that a conspiracy theory had sprung up that probably/possibly the crooked Democrats had stolen the gold. I am sure Trump has received solid confirmation and isn't really wondering about it, but it is good publicity. Elon loves the publicity. Otherwise, they'd get on with it. They've been talking about it for a couple weeks now. The President has his own plane, so I'm pretty sure he can go do this about any day he chooses, certainly on a weekend. So they are both pretending that this is a concern as long as the news cycle and social media keep talking about it.

 

[Axaday]

Also: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...rnment-efficiency-cost-efficiency-initiative/
All federal credit cards are frozen for the next 30 days except for disaster relief efforts, while DOGE does DOGE stuff.

Can someone who is more in tune with financial analysis clue me in to something? I check my accounts at least weekly to see if anything is amiss and I never freeze them while I do it. Is there an actual reason that all of these freezes help with the work? Or are they just making an issue of making sure not another cent is wasted before they have checked on it?

 

[Ungnome]

It's all for show while Musk ensures more government money lands in the hands of his companies and making sure the investigations into the shady stuff he's been up to ends.

 

[Paladin]

so if COVID or the measles doesn't get you, the flu will!

FDA cancels meeting to select flu strains for next season's shots

The meeting was canceled just days after a CDC vaccine advisory committee meeting was abruptly postponed.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[NovaSaber]

Trump wants to offer wealthy immigrants ‘gold cards’ for $5 million

President Donald Trump wants to offer wealthy immigrants “gold cards,” offering to sell them the possibility of citizenship for $5 million.

apnews.com

Citizenship is for sale.

So the drug lords that anti-immigrant rhetoric pretends to be concerned about are going to be literally less affected by Trump's anti-immigrant hate than poor people are?

 

[Axaday]

so if COVID or the measles doesn't get you, the flu will!

FDA cancels meeting to select flu strains for next season's shots

The meeting was canceled just days after a CDC vaccine advisory committee meeting was abruptly postponed.

www.nbcnews.com

Like....there might not be a flu shot this year?

 

[Steevy Maximus]

Like....there might not be a flu shot this year?

Or, more likely the case, the production of this year’s vaccine will be delayed until they decide which flavor(s) to produce. The reason they make these decisions NOW is so that there is ample time to build up a supply for the fall when people start mingling in closed spaces as the weather gets colder.
Problem is that if they wait too long, there won’t be time to build up enough supply to reach a viable “herd immunity” level. You’d have a “limited access” situation like many of the early COVID vaccines where specific groups were allowed to get it before the wider populace.

That said, working in a hospital, flu season seems to be hitting later due to longer summers (at least here in Oklahoma). I’m not sure it would be THAT bad an idea to wait for the current season to wind down before figuring out which strains to target next winter.

 

[Axaday]

I guess the natural assumption is the RFK really believes the things he says and isn't just being contrary. A worm did eat some of his brain. A late, short, or no flu shot followed by an obvious high flu season next year could be very instructive for him.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

If the trailers full of corpses didn't make them take COVID seriously, I don't think it'll work for the flu either.

 

[Dekafox]

Yet another reason to keep masking in the appropriate environments...

 

[Anonymous X]

I guess the natural assumption is the RFK really believes the things he says and isn't just being contrary. A worm did eat some of his brain. A late, short, or no flu shot followed by an obvious high flu season next year could be very instructive for him.

I honestly believe that RFK Jr and people like him believe in eugenics and societal Darwinism; the whole point of removing vaccines is to weed out the ‘weak’ and ‘imperfect’. Unfortunately I think that the global pandemic likely radicalised such people further.

 

[Axaday]

I honestly believe that RFK Jr and people like him believe in eugenics and societal Darwinism; the whole point of removing vaccines is to weed out the ‘weak’ and ‘imperfect’. Unfortunately I think that the global pandemic likely radicalised such people further.

And he believes that the people who come out on top should be the ones whose brains were eaten by worms and sound like they've been chain smoking for 366 years? If anybody is sticking up for the non-Uberman, it really ought to be this guy.

Edit - This might be a little dark, but assuming that he has some Kennedy money to live on, I really can't understand why he doesn't just live a comfy life and keep his head down. The last place I would want to be, if I were him, is in Washington, DC working for the White House. His dad got shot running for President, his uncle got shot as President. Maybe Uncle Teddy made him feel like it was safe after all? Ted ran for President in 1980. He didn't win, but if he had I think Hinckley would have shot him. He only had one other Kennedy uncle, who was shot down in WW2 while working for the government.