Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Axaday

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(Thinking back, Thrust in TF Armada was an F-35. That was over twenty years ago. Shows how long these pieces of military hardware take to get in service, given they’re only being rolled out now.)

They have been in use for a decade.
 

Axaday

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There is no future for Republicans. Trump is the only thing holding them together as anything resembling a coalition. Eight years of looking for someone able to match his energy has failed. Trump's inevitable death will be a murder-suicide pact for the GOP.

There is no future for Democrats. They lack the ability to inspire the people. Their options are to cling to a framework that has already failed, or try to be more Trump-like and authoritarian against their "enemies", which they lack the competence, drive, and/or chutzpah to make work.

The bright future for America is a cross-party coalition that rejects R and D tribalism and forges something new that a majority can agree on. But both sides are so divided, so petulant, and so untrusting of one another, that its unrealistic to expect such a positive change in the near future without an even stronger catalyst.

The dark future for America is complete anarchy once people openly accept that no system exists that really controls them in any way.

The median is maybe we dissolve into 50 independent countries if people pretend they're still willing to accept State law after the federal government falls apart, but the cognitive dissonance to believe that is already structurally unsound.

What is government when people refuse to be governed?
The parties are organizations whose job is to win elections. The GOP is enjoying its success right now. The DNC is think-tanking and analyzing statistics. They will look for an exciting candidate to get behind in 2028 and they will adjust their platform as they deem necessary to win more elections. Remember, the parties themselves don't care about policies. They choose the policies and positions that will give them an advantage. You are happily, and also sadly, mistaken if you think these two organizations are going to fall apart.
 

Steevy Maximus

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I don’t really follow this sort of thing, but isn’t the F-35 a massively overpriced white elephant anyway?

(Thinking back, Thrust in TF Armada was an F-35. That was over twenty years ago. Shows how long these pieces of military hardware take to get in service, given they’re only being rolled out now.)
Pretty much. The F-35 is the latest attempt by DoD office chairs to "standardize" their primary fighter platform across all branches (like the F-4 Phantom), but is years and billions of dollars overrun.

I mean, if anyone in government was actually serious about addressing waste in spending? Try holding these multibillion corporations accountable and levy penalties when they fail to deliver. I don't keep paying a contractor to work on my house if he's months behind and asking for another round of as much money as he quoted for the job to begin with, y'know?
Yeah, you got me. I owe you a coke.
A bottle or a line?
 

Pocket

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I mean, if anyone in government was actually serious about addressing waste in spending? Try holding these multibillion corporations accountable and levy penalties when they fail to deliver. I don't keep paying a contractor to work on my house if he's months behind and asking for another round of as much money as he quoted for the job to begin with, y'know?
I'm increasingly of the opinion that governments should stop doing business with private companies entirely and instead establish their own owned-and-operated production pipelines for everything they need.
 

abates

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Minnesota is currently bowing to his whims by adding "Trump Derangement Syndrome" to the list of mental illnesses.

So guess what happened with one of the authors of this bill?

That's right, later the same day he was caught in a police pedophile catching operation:
 

Pocket

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Things don't usually go this well this fast. A broken system is right twice a day, I guess.
 

Rhinox

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So, Trump's proxies have basically told the federal courts to go hug themselves. They're refusing to comply with orders from the judiciary now.
This is in addition to Trump trying to declare Biden's pardons null because he used an 'autopen'.

We are well into the Constitutional crisis. What happens next is anyone's guess. We are in full on new territory.
 

CoffeeHorse

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Ask Alan Dershowitz what happens next. He is still Trump's unofficial legal strategist.
 

Ungnome

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Was just coming here to post that. The friggin' courts are the ONLY thing that is keeping the US halfway sane right now.
 

Pale Rider

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@wonko the sane?

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Axaday

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I really doubt it is actually a step clearing the way to reintroduce segregation.

If Biden were still President, I would say segregated facilities are such old news that it isn't worth explicitly mentioning in a contract anymore. Why keep mentioning it forever? But Biden isn't President anymore. Trump is. Someone along the way here would have to be aware that this will look alarming coming from this group and they did it anyway. It COULD be to try to get the media to rant about something that isn't actually important, it COULD be non-Trump fan using the letter of the law to justify embarrassing Trump, it could be a sort of dog whistle for the benefit of Proud Boys and such to basically say "Nothing we can do about the states, but we did what we could".
 

Pocket

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It is, at the very least, proof that Trump really is THAT racist and isn't even bothering to disguise it anymore. That's not a dogwhistle, it's a 1812 Overture cannon.
 

Axaday

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It is, at the very least, proof that Trump really is THAT racist and isn't even bothering to disguise it anymore. That's not a dogwhistle, it's a 1812 Overture cannon.
Trump is racist. He's an old white guy that has always believed white people were on top because they try harder or because they have a culture more conducive to success. He sees any check or correction of that as cheating.

But just like a bunch of other stuff lately, there is no indication that he was aware of it. Trump 45 was a lazy man who did very little work. Trump 47 is a lazy man who is letting other people do work. There's no executive order ordering this. It seems to be someone at some level's interpretation of rooting out DEI stuff from our government. There seems to have been no announcement of it. There are an army of watchdogs monitoring everything right now so we don't miss anything and that's why we didn't miss it.

Segregation is illegal. There is no actual function to insisting that you have to be desegregated to do business with the Federal Government and there hasn't been for a long time. No one took it out because whoever does it is going to have people saying this stuff, but there is no reason for it to be in there anymore and the next President isn't going to put it back in.

I can't name 5 Supreme Court Justices that would vote to overturn Brown v Topeka Board of Education. I can't name 1 that I think is reasonably likely.
 

Dekafox

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The White House this week forced Amtrak CEO Stephen Gardner to step down as head of the U.S. passenger railroad after President Donald Trump sought the changes, two sources told Reuters.
Gardner said on Wednesday he will resign immediately, ending more than four years as head of the railroad, citing concerns about maintaining the carrier's support from the Trump administration.
 


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