Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

CoffeeHorse

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It is hard for me to imagine that the prison and El Salvador would resist sending him back. And we're gonna be sending planes there all the time, right? Those planes have to come back. His return is costless.
I can guarantee you that el-salvador was told they could keep everyone, and is going to charge a "fee" to drag him out of there. Nothing is free when dealing with capitalists and tyrants.

El Salvador is already charging a fee to house our deportees. They agreed to accept whoever we send no questions asked, and in exchange we're funding their mega prison.
 

Axaday

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I wasn't aware of the deal Trump cut, but was beginning to suspect. These people are a drain on our economy so we're going to round them up, fly them on jets to El Salvador and pay for them forever there?
 

Ungnome

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I wasn't aware of the deal Trump cut, but was beginning to suspect. These people are a drain on our economy so we're going to round them up, fly them on jets to El Salvador and pay for them forever there?
Not only do we pay to house them but El Salvador gets a bunch of slave labor to boot. Not sure how anyone could think this was a good idea for the American taxpayer, much less humanity in general. Frankly it's a HUGE violation of the Constitution to boot. Every single one of the people sent there had their rights to due-process stripped. These aren't enemy combatants attacking US soil, which is really the only group who could really be stripped of said rights.
 

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So with our economy paying for them being on both sides of the scale, that's wasn't the issue. We prefer not seeing brown people to getting slave labor from brown people.
 

Ungnome

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I think they are partially right. Wall street seemed to just getting better and better results despite what the average Joe was actually experiencing, so there was due to be a correction. The antics of this administration, though, has worsened the issue in pretty much every way possible. It's like throwing gasoline onto the fire essentially.
 

Steevy Maximus

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I kind of just stopped looking at Wall Street as any real indicator of economic performance about 10 years ago (2012, I think?):
Apple had posted a quarterly result and failed to meet analyst expectations (I think the newest iPhone didn’t do QUITE as well at the time), so the company lost almost 30% of its value in a big sell off.
Keep in mind Apple still posted hundreds of millions in PROFIT, performance most companies would KILL for even then, much less today. But because “line not go up” enough, investors, effectively, punished the company. That really hit me how out of touch Wall Street REALLY was with the rest of the economy.
 

Axaday

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I kind of just stopped looking at Wall Street as any real indicator of economic performance about 10 years ago (2012, I think?):
Apple had posted a quarterly result and failed to meet analyst expectations (I think the newest iPhone didn’t do QUITE as well at the time), so the company lost almost 30% of its value in a big sell off.
Keep in mind Apple still posted hundreds of millions in PROFIT, performance most companies would KILL for even then, much less today. But because “line not go up” enough, investors, effectively, punished the company. That really hit me how out of touch Wall Street REALLY was with the rest of the economy.

Not punishing the company. Not meeting expectations meant that the stock had been going up too much for a while based on expectations.
 

wonko the sane?

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A Facebook friend of mine said this stock drop was a bubble burst.
The buffet indicator was at 230% before trump took office, so it was about 110% over inflated. The stock market really is just it's own thing with no actual connection to reality right now. We are in correction territory, and probably will be for a while.

That said: trumps actions will still cause the market to crash, even past the corrections stage. He is deliberately sabotaging international economics so he can get bribes.
 

wonko the sane?

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Oh, no timing involved. The crashing is still trumps fault: it would have kept growing otherwise. No connection to reality, but mad profits for the rich, so they were incentivized to keep it going.
 

Axaday

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Oh, no timing involved. The crashing is still trumps fault: it would have kept growing otherwise. No connection to reality, but mad profits for the rich, so they were incentivized to keep it going.
If I were the king, the stock market would not have a bunch of people yelling minute by minute and minute by minute access online. You would buy shares by filling out a form and wiring the money and it would be the same price all day long. It would be for people to invest in companies they wanted to own a share of. Not flip, not short, not swing.

Rich turkeys nowadays make a killing when the market goes up, make a killing when the market is stable, and make a killing when it falls.
 

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So our deal with El Salvador is we pay $6 million for them to hold 300 prisoners for a year and they we'll decide. $20,000 a head which is about what our economy would have paid for them if they were here, except they would have put most of that money right into our economy and we would have had their labor creating money for our economy.

And there is room for a ton of speculation on why El Salvador built a prison for terrorists in 2022 with a capacity of 40,000 and it is only half full and they were allegedly the ones that approached our government about holding terrorists for us. Building a prison twice as big as you need is an expensive mistake, if indeed it was one.
 

wonko the sane?

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If I were the king, the stock market would not have a bunch of people yelling minute by minute and minute by minute access online. You would buy shares by filling out a form and wiring the money and it would be the same price all day long. It would be for people to invest in companies they wanted to own a share of. Not flip, not short, not swing.

Rich turkeys nowadays make a killing when the market goes up, make a killing when the market is stable, and make a killing when it falls.
Congrats, you broke the code: the stock market only currently exists to prop up oligarchs and billionaires.
So our deal with El Salvador is we pay $6 million for them to hold 300 prisoners for a year and they we'll decide. $20,000 a head which is about what our economy would have paid for them if they were here, except they would have put most of that money right into our economy and we would have had their labor creating money for our economy.

And there is room for a ton of speculation on why El Salvador built a prison for terrorists in 2022 with a capacity of 40,000 and it is only half full and they were allegedly the ones that approached our government about holding terrorists for us. Building a prison twice as big as you need is an expensive mistake, if indeed it was one.
They did it on purpose: to get paid to house foreign prisoners. Free labour for el-salvador and an "under the rug" solution for dictators across the world. If they work those slaves hard enough: the prison will never actually fill up.
 

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Can we 25th amendment this ************ yet? I'm ready to take my chances with a President Vance.
 


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