Harris-Walz / Dems

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Historically, it's because women being allowed to play sports at all is pretty recent, and the separation is down to the US's deep-seated history of sexism. Hell, a lot of the arguments about how "biological males" have advantages is really just more of that. Sexism and transphobia tend to go hand in hand.

 

[Pale Rider]

I keep waiting for the Academy Awards to lead by example and eliminate the Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress Oscars so men and women can fight it out in one gender-neutral category.

But I won't hold my breath.

 

[NovaSaber]

I think there's a real discussion to be had about why so many sports are gender-segregated in the first place. If we simply broke things by non-gender specific physical attributes, we could solve a lot of these problems.

It's because sexist men wanted to make it impossible for a man to ever be beaten by a woman (which would happen regularly in many sports, and literally more often than the reverse in tennis).

 

[Pale Rider]

While we're at it, let's eliminate gender divisions in chess. I can't think of a single compelling reason for them to exist in a game that requires no physical prowess at all.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Yup, agreed.

Of course, I'm also in favour of making chess boxing functionally mandatory for both sports.

 

[Ungnome]

It's because sexist men wanted to make it impossible for a man to ever be beaten by a woman (which would happen regularly in many sports, and literally more often than the reverse in tennis).

Heck, that's exactly why shooting competitions went from mixed to gendered. Women were competitive, often getting close to or even beating men and so slowly they started splitting them up into gendered categories. This is just within the last 40 to 50 years too. Skeet shooting didn't become gendered until 1992.

 

[M. Virion]

And Newsom's second guest is...

Michael F-ing Savage

Who's next, Milo Yiannopoulos?

I'm no longer giving him the benefit of the doubt.

You want to position yourself more centrist? Reach across the aisle? That DOES NOT require sitting down and normalizing bigots known for saying some of the most hateful, vile jive. Michael Savage was fired from MSNBC for going on a hate-filled homophobic rant on air. He's been decried by the SPLC and many more organizations for express white supremacy and anti-Semitism.

I hope to Hell and back we assure he's not the 2028 nominee.

 

[Pale Rider]

I don’t like it either, but I think Newsom knows how much podcasts and right-wing media shaped the 2024 election, and he wants to get in front of that audience.

People said Hasan Piker could be the left’s Joe Rogan, but he doesn’t want to do it. Maybe Newsom sees an opportunity to change some minds, but that’s not going to happen by preaching to the choir.

 

[M. Virion]

Or maybe he's just moving right. That could be pragmatism, chasing the voter - but I'm not voting for it.

People like Savage actively push rhetoric that will get me and my community killed.

I don't have the luxury of wish casting that Newsom is just playing an angle.

 

[Pocket]

If I have to choose between letting the world burn and throwing one marginalized group under the bus to stop it from burning... gonna be honest, the burning is looking pretty tempting. Especially since "stop it from burning" has proven time and time again to be only temporary anyway before the fascists manage to take over again and release the brake.

Call me an accelerationist if you want, but I'm getting pretty damn sick of the cycle.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

That only works if you assume they won't immediately swivel to targeting another group after the last one burns. And then another group. And then another. Ask 1930s Germany how that worked out.

 

[M. Virion]

I wrote this poem back in September in the run-up to the election. It feels prescient.

Fascism is the beast that eats
It needs a platter for it's feasts

And as we claim we do not see
"It's better them, than you or me!"

For once it feeds on all it can
It turns it's head and starts to plan

 

[Pocket]

And the actual progressive left is no better, having thrown their lot in with those who want Israel wiped off the map, with a not-so-secret goal of targeting all Jews worldwide next. When the only representatives of "tolerance" are people who still have one specific marginalized group they're either willing to throw under the bus, or are actively plotting to throw under the bus, "let the whole world burn" becomes even more appealing because frankly, maybe we as a species deserve it.

 

[Patch]

I hope to Hell and back we assure he's not the 2028 nominee.

He'd never make it IMO. If he tried to go national you could more or less end him by bringing this up: https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/politics/gavin-newsom-french-laundry-california-governor/index.html

 

[M. Virion]

Beyond all that, even if he really is just trying to center himself for the presidential election - he has to win the DEMOCRATIC primary first.

He's put the wagon before the horse.

 

[Pale Rider]

If that NYT/Ipsos poll is accurate, a majority (67%) of Democrats actually agree with him on the women's sports issue.

 

[Pocket]

Then 67% of Democrats are scum. At minimum.

See what I mean?

 

[Pale Rider]

Scum or not, this clearly isn’t going to stop him from winning the nomination.

I actually prefer Tim Walz, to be clear, but I’d take either of them over a JD Vance presidency any day.

 

[Paladin]

It's not just Newsome.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5184907-schiff-on-transgender-athletes-confident-that-local-communities-can-make-decisions-to-ensure-sports-safe-fair/

anyone who refuses to speak up for trans rights is signaling they won't hesitate to throw whatever minority necessary into the meat grinder so long as it fuels their preferred type of passive profitable fascism.

AS A COUNTEREXAMPLE-

https://thehill.com/homenews/lgbtq/...ring-after-blow-up-over-mcbride-introduction/

Keating makes the classic mistake of expecting decency from a Republican but ultimately he stood up for McBride when it mattered.

 

[Pale Rider]