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I'm not wild about the secret love child (seriously? Don't they have super advanced contraceptives in the future? Did Beverly unconsciously want a child after Wesley left?) but I do like how Jack can continue the Picard bloodline legitimately.

To be fair, she was in a romantic relationship with Picard right before she found out, so maybe they had been trying to have a baby? Neither of them were getting any younger...

Saw the next three eps.

Screw me, they reintroduced Ro then killed her?!?!?! WTFerengi?!?!

I loved their confrontation on the holodeck! "I have been rehearsing this speech for 30 years!"

The semi heist thing in Daystrom was cool. The Data combo reveal was... weird. Leave him alone already, if he really wanted to die then.

This does get addressed later.


Moriarty was great but it wasn't the original holo, oh well.

Yeah, I was hoping for the holo to come back too, but it was great seeing him again.

Just great that Riker remembered the whistle.

That was a neat throw back to the end of Nemesis when Riker couldn't remember the whistle at Data's Wake.

Deanna? A changeling, c'mooooon. Tuvok was awesome to see, hehe.

Tuvok is always awesome, especially when he gets the chance to surprise you.

I'm not into Vedic and her screeches voice. Could have had a cooler cool hunter person.

She is the daughter of Christopher Plummer who famously played General Chang in Star Trek 6 the Undiscovered Country, and you know Star Trek likes its legacy actors....

I'm assuming the sickness Jack has is the one clone Tom Hardy had in the Next Gen movie. Dunno what his mind control powers are but whatever.

Nope, Tom hardy had some sort of cloning defect IIRC, this is something else. Keep watching.


Boo on the stolen corpse! I thought it would be a super weapon whatever.

Three eps to go.

Keep watching, It's about to get really good!
 

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That is a complicated thing. The Data that you are talking about had been kind of living in a prison for 20 years and that whole thing was contrived to give us a taste of Data but also to acknowledge that Spiner is too old to play him. Spiner doesn't mind playing him if they get around the problems and they did. This is not the one that wanted to die.
I think I'd be ok if it was B4 who was given the combination of the new life (he had all of Data's memories anyhow). Or Lore making a decision to be good. Then he can can himself FourLore-n. Haha. Anyhow...

Saw ep8 and 9. Legacy aside, I'm still fine Vedic is gone.

I'm a bit put out that the Dominion isn't the mastermind. We never really got to see the changeling attack en masse in DS9. It was mostly Cardassians and (darn it, those fighters on Ketrecel White, forgot their name). It would have been amazingly scary to have overtly violent changeling soldiers instead of infiltraters.

I was still surprised at the Borg reveal and the freaking scary Picard DNA in transporters to make instant Borgs but, darn it, the Dominion was just there, aw. What would they gain from helping the Borg anyway? They wouldn't want to be assimilated themselves.

Shelby is dead? I saw a blast damage on her body before the screen changed. When was she first ever introduced anyway? I'm so sad for that ship that got control of the helm but was shut down then blown up. Captain Benblallast something, I think. Poor dude and crew. Shaw is dead, no forgiveness given to Picard but soooo awesome he gave command to Seven! Loved that.

I'm a fuzzy on the current Borg cuz what about s2 Scott Pilgrim red dress lady who combined with an alt timeline Borg Queen? She's a force of good now. Since there was no mention of her during the season, I guess she won't factor in at all and the day will be saved by Jack instead.

So they're using the original Enterprise. They call it analog? Because the internet wasn't widespread in the 90s so top of the line tech at that time didn't quite conceive it? Hehe. I'm getting the feeling that people really liked s3 because it's really the crew of Next Gen getting back in action over the makeshift crew from s1 and s2. Oh, with new Data around, maybe the actress playing his daughter will reappear (not that I want her too). Who else is missing from Next Gen? Ro is dead. Wesley could make a Traveller appearance. Dr Pulaski? Whoopi Goldberg?

Finale next.
 

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I think I'd be ok if it was B4 who was given the combination of the new life (he had all of Data's memories anyhow). Or Lore making a decision to be good. Then he can can himself FourLore-n. Haha. Anyhow...

Saw ep8 and 9. Legacy aside, I'm still fine Vedic is gone.

She has a good death!

I'm a bit put out that the Dominion isn't the mastermind. We never really got to see the changeling attack en masse in DS9. It was mostly Cardassians and (darn it, those fighters on Ketrecel White, forgot their name).

Jem Hadar.

I was still surprised at the Borg reveal and the freaking scary Picard DNA in transporters to make instant Borgs but, darn it, the Dominion was just there, aw.

The instant Borgs are pretty terrifying.

What would they gain from helping the Borg anyway? They wouldn't want to be assimilated themselves.

These were captured and tortured by Starfleet, so they just want to see it burn.

Shelby is dead? I saw a blast damage on her body before the screen changed. When was she first ever introduced anyway?

She is presumed dead, taking two shots to the chest. She was first introduced back in the TNG two-parter, Best of Both Worlds. She hasn't appeared since then, but you see she did make the rank of Admiral and was in command of the Enterprise-F.

I'm so sad for that ship that got control of the helm but was shut down then blown up. Captain Benblallast something, I think. Poor dude and crew.

They really should have booked it out of there, instead of trying to stand up to the entire fleet.

Shaw is dead, no forgiveness given to Picard but soooo awesome he gave command to Seven! Loved that.

Shaw is another one, that they left vague. Like they left it open so someone can bring him back if they continue the timeline from here. I loved how Shaw, who completely hates Riker and Picard, totally geeks out of LaForge.

I'm a fuzzy on the current Borg cuz what about s2 Scott Pilgrim red dress lady who combined with an alt timeline Borg Queen? She's a force of good now. Since there was no mention of her during the season, I guess she won't factor in at all and the day will be saved by Jack instead.

Nope, she is gone, and that faction of Borg is different from this. This is the Borg that Admiral Janeway sacrificed herself to cripple. And crippled she did! Keep watching!

So they're using the original Enterprise.

Well, it's the Enterprise D, the same ship that they served on. I should mention that its the saucer section, but the drive section and parts came from other ships. So expect to see the Dominion War upgrades on this beast!

They call it analog? Because the internet wasn't widespread in the 90s so top of the line tech at that time didn't quite conceive it? Hehe.

Well, it's not linked in with the rest of the fleet, and it not being on display means that they could take it without setting off any alarms, which would be the only reason why they wouldn't grab a more powerful ship like Voyager or the Defiant.

I'm getting the feeling that people really liked s3 because it's really the crew of Next Gen getting back in action over the makeshift crew from s1 and s2.

Season 3 does have an epic return of the TNG crew, and we get that epic fan service of a good and proper ending for them that we didn't get with Nemesis. Plus, it's the characters that we have watched and enjoyed for all of lives, of course we are excited to see them back. However, we do get new characters in there that we like, for example, Sidney LaForge, Jack Crusher, and Captain Shaw.

I should also note, that LaForge's other daughter that arrives with him is actually LeVar Burton's actual daughter.

Oh, with new Data around, maybe the actress playing his daughter will reappear (not that I want her too).

Sadly not. However, what about that Lore vs Data mind battle? Data tricking Lore into downloading his memories. Now they are all merged together!

Who else is missing from Next Gen? Ro is dead. Wesley could make a Traveller appearance. Dr Pulaski? Whoopi Goldberg?

Thomas Riker sadly doesn't show up, but he does get mentioned in Lower Decks.

Finale next.

Its epic! Enjoy!
 

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My the end of the season I felt like it was all just a sugar rush, but Data taking Lore over by giving him his memories was very cool. As was that retcon that it turns out Picard never had Iromodic Syndrome at all. I'm not really and Enterprise-D herself fanboy, but I get it. It was definitely neat to have the cast back together, but what they did with it all was not as much as I could have wished.

Shaw is another one, that they left vague. Like they left it open so someone can bring him back if they continue the timeline from here.

I can't recall the exact facts, but bringing him back would definitely be a cheap cheat. After 30 years of survivor guilt he jumped at the chance to be the one who died for other people to survive. And he isn't there later when everything is being settled. If he survived, the ship doesn't need a new captain. And I believe there is a bit of dialog where he had surprisingly recommended Seven for promotion. If he was alive, he had places to be in all of this.
 

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My the end of the season I felt like it was all just a sugar rush, but Data taking Lore over by giving him his memories was very cool. As was that retcon that it turns out Picard never had Iromodic Syndrome at all. I'm not really and Enterprise-D herself fanboy, but I get it. It was definitely neat to have the cast back together, but what they did with it all was not as much as I could have wished.



I can't recall the exact facts, but bringing him back would definitely be a cheap cheat. After 30 years of survivor guilt he jumped at the chance to be the one who died for other people to survive. And he isn't there later when everything is being settled. If he survived, the ship doesn't need a new captain. And I believe there is a bit of dialog where he had surprisingly recommended Seven for promotion. If he was alive, he had places to be in all of this.


There is a lot of talk about his fate in the bonus material. They intentionally left it to where someone could bring him back. As for not captaining the Titan, he could have requested a transfer or retirement. Heck he might be on medical leave and put back as a teacher in the academy.
 

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There is a lot of talk about his fate in the bonus material. They intentionally left it to where someone could bring him back. As for not captaining the Titan, he could have requested a transfer or retirement. Heck he might be on medical leave and put back as a teacher in the academy.
Even if it can be done mechanically and explained, it shouldn't be done because of the meaning of it.
 


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