You don't put down coups at the ballot box.
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You don't put down coups at the ballot box.
Who is "People" in this instance. I mean to you? I think you're going to find that Harris didn't call any governors asking for more votes. I haven't heard that she files any suits to throw out ballots or stop counting some ballots or demand a recount. She isn't saying that there was fraud or cheating.
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Why does *that* destabilize faith in the electoral process but shutting down voting areas so people have to wait 6+ hours to vote then you make it illegal to give them water while they wait doesn’t?
Republicans cheat to win in ways that Democrats don’t.
That’s objective fact.
Leaving aside stuff like the Electoral College also giving them a “within the bounds of the law but not the spirit” leg up anyway. Or that both parties practice gerrymandering where they can get away with it.
Republicans cheat to win in ways that Democrats don’t.
That’s objective fact.
Leaving aside stuff like the Electoral College also giving them a “within the bounds of the law but not the spirit” leg up anyway. Or that both parties practice gerrymandering where they can get away with it.
The weekend help a little bit.
NBC Calls: 205 Blue, 213 Red
My Calls: 3 Blue, 7 Red ----> 208 - 220, GOP in control
7 Seats still too close to call lean 5 Blue, 2 Red -----------> My best guess is 213 - 222, a net gain of 1 seat for the Republicans
Those 7 close ones really are close. It could easily be as good as 215-220, which would be a net loss of 1 seat for the Republicans. It would be a little silver lining if Democrats actually got a gain here. All of my calls from Friday were confirmed by NBC or are still just my calls, but a seat that I had leaning Red caught up and got called Blue. A couple of the close ones switched back or forth.
The happier party is certainly going to be the one that picked up 1 House seat, 3 Senate seats, and 1 White House, but I still think the people who say "Mandate" or "Red Wave" are posturing. In the old days, people got mandates. This was a repeat of the 2022 midterms where people continued to shift a li'l bit, but there is no wave here.
Also Trump's popular vote lead has shrunk to less than 4 million. It's hardly a mandate. He's winning by about 2.4 to 2.5% Heck, even Biden won a larger percentage of the popular vote in 2020, Last time we saw a candidate even break 5 points was Obama in 2008.
Not me, but it's never not a good thing to keep pointing out that the Republicans are disingenuous about this, and that 2020 wasn't won (or lost, if you're GOP) by fraud, either.
My understanding was that, anytime a candidate gets 50%+ of the popular vote, that's a mandate. We now know that Trump will have won the popular vote, but it might still be a mere plurality if third party candidates got enough.
Hillary Clinton didn't seem to have a mandate.
It always seemed to me that the candidate was able to exaggerate it because it is subjective, but that it just means "Hey look how much I won by! It is pretty clear that the country likes what I've been saying."
Edit - It has to be at least some measure better than simply winning.
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You are probably right of course, but I get why people are clinging to the idea right now. Trumps first term in office was a nightmare that saw a rigged SCOTUS and a bunch of preventable deaths. It could have been worse but there were people in place to stop his worst impulses, this time there aren't going to be any and hes demonstrating dementia. People are scared as hug. They want some shimmer of hope that maybe it wont actually happen. Others are realizing they made a mistake and are wishing for something to happen to make them not responsible for their own suffering. Meanwhile in the government nobody is really doing much to help people feel better about what is coming and so they feel abandoned.
And when you scared and feel alone you look for whatever hope you can find and cling to it while you can.
If they think they're afraid NOW, just wait till trump is actually in power.
AOC Asked People Who Voted For Both Her And Trump To Explain Why—And Their Answers Are Eye-Opening
This explains a lot.
www.comicsands.com
Good! This is exactly what Democrats should be doing right now -- acknowledging the people who voted against them and asking for feedback. If they ever want the White House again, they need to listen to why they didn't get it this time and (perhaps even more important) be SHOWN listening to people tell them why.
Now is not the time to be telling voters how they're dumb, or they didn't understand the situation. Now is the time to gather information without push back and consider it for two or four years down the line.
Now is not the time to be telling voters how they're dumb, or they didn't understand the situation. Now is the time to gather information without push back and consider it for two or four years down the line.
A whole family of Latinos in Nevada who voted for the face-eating leopards.
What a surprise, what the people actually want as an alternative to right-wing populism is left-wing populism. Now if we can only find more than two or three politicians who actually support such policies and are capable of winning an election. And, so long as I'm wishful thinking, it'd be nice if they didn't also openly associate with people who support genocide...
Both Sanders and Warren both underperformed relative to Harris in this election in their home states for the Senate Races. It's clearly not just a desire for far-left politics that's driving people into the arms of Trump. The anti-incumbency explanation makes somewhat more sense given their age and the fact that AOC did better.
The Marxian explaantion aka the idea that people will embrace far right nationalism against the depredations of capitalism if you don't give them a far left alternative has never made sense especially since it can't explain the rise of far right elements like the Neo Nazis/Skinheads in places like the antifascist "worker states" like the GDR or the USSR before the fall of communism.
The Marxian explaantion aka the idea that people will embrace far right nationalism against the depredations of capitalism if you don't give them a far left alternative has never made sense especially since it can't explain the rise of far right elements like the Neo Nazis/Skinheads in places like the antifascist "worker states" like the GDR or the USSR before the fall of communism.
Can we PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE stop referring to ******* mid center politicians like Sanders, Warren, and AOC as “far-left”?
They want a living wage and affordable Healthcare. Stuff almost every other country on the planet makes great strides towards providing.
They don’t want to seize the means of production. They don’t want to outlaw Capitalism. They don’t want to bomb animal testing sites.
Just because we *do* have a far right with almost total Government control that wants to build camps and brutalize minorities doesn’t mean we have a “far left” of equal power and influence.
They want a living wage and affordable Healthcare. Stuff almost every other country on the planet makes great strides towards providing.
They don’t want to seize the means of production. They don’t want to outlaw Capitalism. They don’t want to bomb animal testing sites.
Just because we *do* have a far right with almost total Government control that wants to build camps and brutalize minorities doesn’t mean we have a “far left” of equal power and influence.