Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

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Axaday

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Everyone! Get your gas tonight. Fill up your tanks. Get the weekly grocery shopping done tonight if you can. Tariffs hit tomorrow. Do not wait, get what you can tonight before prices jump.
Gas stations have hairpin triggers. If oil is included gas stations will respond very quickly and disproportionately.

Grocery stores don't. There is a lot of public sensitivity on grocery prices and they will probably be careful to analyze their changing costs and respond carefully.
 
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These tariffs are going to trigger a global recession. The Great Recession of 2008/9 will potentially be nothing in comparison.

Either Trump blinks before enacting such ludicrously harmless economic incompetence like he did with Colombia or… Well, we’re all in for a deeply unpleasant time.
 

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Trump is going to trigger a depression actually, and The Great One might pale in comparison. But this is what America voted for, enjoy that jive.
 

M. Virion

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He's dropped the flimsy pretense of being anything other than an evil bigoted piece of jive:


The state department has also removed the "T+" in reference to LGBT+ issues. Full on erasure of our existence.
 

wonko the sane?

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Change how you eat. Cook more and not buy the more profitable items, not impulse buy, not shop at THIS store but instead go to the bargain place.
You do know you can only do so much before you just can't afford food, and there's already ALOT of people at "nothing more we can do" other than starve.

And since the profit margins won't change if they charge more to less people....
 

Pale Rider

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The real reason Trump wants tariffs:

First: we know that Trump is an idiot. Seriously, I'm guessing his IQ hovers around the 60 mark.

Second: at some point, he found out that the United States in the 1800s used to collect most of its federal revenue from tariffs instead of income tax. This was a very dangerous development, because of course, he thought "That's great! Let's go back to that! We can put tariffs on everybody, and then I won't have to pay income tax anymore!"

And it never occurred to him to ask why the government switched from tariffs to income taxes in the first place because, for the second time ... he's an idiot.
"I was under the impression that Canadian companies will have to pay the tariff, so it won't affect me" - an American acquaintance who wanted to mail-order something from Canada.

These people are real.
Trump has gone so aggressively anti-DEI and pro-Nazi that it's easy to forget he was not always like this.
Oh, he was always racist: his record of racial discrimination in housing goes back decades. But in 2016, he tried to hide it. His 2016 election campaign against Hillary Clinton was based on two lines of attack:

1: Hillary is "crooked".
2: I am a businessman.

He was pretending to be more respectable than he is, but now he doesn't need to pretend. His first term desensitized the country to the idea of white-supremacists being treated as a legitimate faction in national politics. And it totally worked: even those who continue to stubbornly deny that he's a white supremacist often freely admit that he panders to white supremacists, as if that's OK.

If you think it's OK to pander to white supremacists, then you're saying that white supremacists are a legitimate political faction in your society.
 

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Change how you eat. Cook more and not buy the more profitable items, not impulse buy, not shop at THIS store but instead go to the bargain place.
Sounds good on paper…until you actually look at the state of grocery in many markets. A LOT of places are “food deserts” where the only option are convenience stores and dollar stores. I have a car, I have options. But many others don’t.
My sister has a gluten intolerance. Guess what’s in the cheapest food? Gluten and carbs. She lives in Arizona with a TON more options than me. But her options are either suffer by eating gluten or make her limited budget stretch on less food. Suffer, or starve?

Here in southern Oklahoma (Trump ****ry ), at my little town next to the Air Force base? We have Walmart, which is the cheapest and most expansive options, but is also on the outskirts of town. I have to literally drive across the entire town to get there from my house.
There is a local supermarket chain called United, which (barring particular sales or deals) isn’t the cheapest, but it’s also closer (midway between me and Walmart).
We have two Dollar Generals, each on the opposite side of town of each other. Despite the addition of freezers/coolers, there really isn’t a lot fresh or particularly healthy. Assuming they are even properly stocked to begin with.
And then there’s a Family Dollar and Dollar Tree. Neither any better than Dollar General.

The reason Americans have such poor dietary health is because the crap food is CHEAP. This has been an issue for over 20 years. If I work 40+ hours a week to make ends meet, I’m not going to have the drive to carefully shop around and make food. I’m going to McDonalds and get that $5 meal deal (Well, I am less likely to do so, but you get my point).

I won’t begrudge the notion, but in practicality? That’s not always an option for people, especially for those that might have to take public transportation (which will increase in price because fuel prices go up). And as Wonko said, there are others already scrapping the bottom that can’t take another price hike regardless what they do.
 

Axaday

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Sounds good on paper…until you actually look at the state of grocery in many markets. A LOT of places are “food deserts” where the only option are convenience stores and dollar stores. I have a car, I have options. But many others don’t.
My sister has a gluten intolerance. Guess what’s in the cheapest food? Gluten and carbs. She lives in Arizona with a TON more options than me. But her options are either suffer by eating gluten or make her limited budget stretch on less food. Suffer, or starve?

Here in southern Oklahoma (Trump ****ry ), at my little town next to the Air Force base? We have Walmart, which is the cheapest and most expansive options, but is also on the outskirts of town. I have to literally drive across the entire town to get there from my house.
There is a local supermarket chain called United, which (barring particular sales or deals) isn’t the cheapest, but it’s also closer (midway between me and Walmart).
We have two Dollar Generals, each on the opposite side of town of each other. Despite the addition of freezers/coolers, there really isn’t a lot fresh or particularly healthy. Assuming they are even properly stocked to begin with.
And then there’s a Family Dollar and Dollar Tree. Neither any better than Dollar General.

The reason Americans have such poor dietary health is because the crap food is CHEAP. This has been an issue for over 20 years. If I work 40+ hours a week to make ends meet, I’m not going to have the drive to carefully shop around and make food. I’m going to McDonalds and get that $5 meal deal (Well, I am less likely to do so, but you get my point).

I won’t begrudge the notion, but in practicality? That’s not always an option for people, especially for those that might have to take public transportation (which will increase in price because fuel prices go up). And as Wonko said, there are others already scrapping the bottom that can’t take another price hike regardless what they do.
I think you are misreading me. I wasn't giving advice. It is good advice, but that isn't what I was doing. I was answering the question that he asked. Wonko said they're going to jack the prices because what are you going to do, not eat? And that's not what people do. They go to cheaper options. The poorest people may already be on the cheapest options, but most of the market isn't. The chips aisle is super profitable, but there is nothing on that aisle that anyone needs. Shock the prices and make the news and upper-middle-class people that didn't need to worry about any of it stop buying chips. And what a shame if those aren't even affected by tariffs?

I am not conversant on what gets imported from where in the grocery store. I know the produce section is the one of the big importers. But I am sure there are a lot of items that aren't affected. The store manager of your local Dollar General doesn't know which items those are. The box stores don't decide what their prices will be. It comes from corporate. And corporate has a LOT to lose if they screw up. They will raise the prices when they have to because supplies cost more, but they have a lot of modeling and analysis to do. Which items can you raise price without affecting sales? Which items should you really just stop carrying for a while?
 


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