Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Stepwise

Was Megatron right?
Citizen
I know. Days late to all of this, it's been a crazy busy week - but the first words out of President Trump's mouth after the (first) plane crash this week should have been "I am so sorry this happened to you and your families."
 

Paladin

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Hard to consider this an unlawful uprising when seventy million Americans apparently wanted this to happen.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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So the tariffs were supposed to land at 12.01 this morning... and I guess they're another victim of trumps FAA cuts, cause they haven't landed yet.

Made him blink.
 

Anonymous X

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So the tariffs were supposed to land at 12.01 this morning... and I guess they're another victim of trumps FAA cuts, cause they haven't landed yet.

Made him blink.
Just think what could be achieved if the US had a functioning opposition party, rather than a load of spineless cretins.*

* some few exceptions apply. Too few, unfortunately.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
Citizen
Most of these executive actions are illegal. I think we've glossed over a lot of that. This whole stopping payments, removing access, these are things the President, by the Constitution, cannot do. Trump is doing them.
Congress is supposed to stop this. Instead they're sitting on the sidelines either cheering or willfully turning a blind eye.

And we have yet to plumb the depths of his pettiness. These next 4 years are going to be all about just how much he can dish out to everyone he's ever had a grievance against. And with Congress in his pocket, there is no check or balance to stop him.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
The US government is built on the idea of good faith. That the people are there because they want to do the job, do it for the people, do it well.

It's not, once trump is removed all future laws and protocols needs to written based on the lack of good faith, and politicians need treated the same way employers treat first time offenders: constant oversight, constant threat of removal, constant assumption of criminality. Even the good ones cannot be forgiven for the sins of the bad ones.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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At this rate he won't need Congress's approval to declare war on Canada and Denmark either.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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The US government is built on the idea of good faith. That the people are there because they want to do the job, do it for the people, do it well.

It's not, once trump is removed all future laws and protocols needs to written based on the lack of good faith, and politicians need treated the same way employers treat first time offenders: constant oversight, constant threat of removal, constant assumption of criminality. Even the good ones cannot be forgiven for the sins of the bad ones.
Oversight is actually the whole reason the system of checks and balances was implemented. Unfortunately the implementation had some major flaws, so here we are.
 

Axaday

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I know this isn't the worst thing to happen this week by far, but geez, how petty do you have to be to still be pursuing this?

It is certainly possible that CBS edited it to make her look good, but her opponent made he look better.
 

Axaday

Well-known member
Citizen
Most of these executive actions are illegal. I think we've glossed over a lot of that. This whole stopping payments, removing access, these are things the President, by the Constitution, cannot do. Trump is doing them.
Congress is supposed to stop this. Instead they're sitting on the sidelines either cheering or willfully turning a blind eye.
The courts are supposed to stop it and they are.

At this rate he won't need Congress's approval to declare war on Canada and Denmark either.
That ship sailed a long time ago. There are things you can't do without "declaring war", but the last time the USA declared war was December 1941. Ever since then we have just gone around taking care of business.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
Citizen
After Vietnam the president wasn't allowed to keep troops in combat situations over 60 days without the OK of Congress. If Congress tells him to make them stand down the President has 30 days to withdraw troops from the conflict. Will the CURRENT congress do that....
 

Rhinox

too old for this
Citizen
The courts are supposed to stop it and they are.


That ship sailed a long time ago. There are things you can't do without "declaring war", but the last time the USA declared war was December 1941. Ever since then we have just gone around taking care of business.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
That ship sailed a long time ago. There are things you can't do without "declaring war", but the last time the USA declared war was December 1941. Ever since then we have just gone around taking care of business.
Yeah but we've never tried annexing an entire foreign nation that way. And I do remember Congress signing off on whatever we did in Iraq that was not technically a war. There was a whole to-do about presidential hopeful John Kerry being among the people who had done so.
 

Axaday

Well-known member
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Yeah but we've never tried annexing an entire foreign nation that way. And I do remember Congress signing off on whatever we did in Iraq that was not technically a war. There was a whole to-do about presidential hopeful John Kerry being among the people who had done so.
Yes, they had to pass a spending bill. If you are going full-on war-like, it is more expensive than just what the President has the ability to send people to do.
 


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