Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[Rhinox]

I can't help but to feel at least a little sorry for them, assuming they realize they made a mistake and don't double down on supporting the one who put them in the camps. Now I do feel MORE sorry for the ones in the same situation who voted against Trump, but still I can have compassion for those suffering, even if their own actions caused their suffering.

I don't. Not anymore.
I live in Kansas. On my commute I pass no less than 10 houses with Trump flags, several of which also fly flags saying things like, "hug your Feelings" and the like. The picture below is from Topeka, my hometown. This is where we are at. Trump supporters love being abrasive, cruel, and derogatory. And this is not new behavior. Again, I have no sympathy for anyone who voted for the leopard after being well aware of his history of eating faces.
When they suffer under his "leadership", and they will, I will enjoy my schadenfreude while also dealing with the fallout of his election. I absolutely plan to point and laugh every ******* time. Rub their noses in it and tell them this is what they voted for, what they wanted. hug them. hug them all. They can all enjoy the hells they welcomed with open arms.

 

[Ungnome]

Funny thing is the 14th amendment is pretty clear that birthright citizenship is valid.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

It seems pretty clear cut to me. Be interested to see what kind of mental gymnastics they will have to go through to say it says something different than what it says. It also means that all illegal aliens have a right to due process. It says any person, not any citizen.

 

[wonko the sane?]

How do republicans define "person"?

Cause I'll happily bet the answer won't shock anyone with its bigotry and racism.

 

[Dekafox]

At the very least they can't revoke birthright citizenship legally for the same reason they can't remove the two term limit: it requires a constitutional amendment and even if they force it through legislature, they would still need enough states to ratify it. Though that doesn't mean certain parties can't and won't effectively ignore it until or unless challenged, and then use the delay it would take to get through the courts to FA more before they FO.

 

[Pocket]

If you revoke birthright citizenship, then there goes the citizenship of literally the 90+% of Americans who didn't come here in their lifetime and go through the naturalization process. Which means once his ego achieves its final form, he has grounds to deport everyone who refuses to acknowledge his godhood. (I'm sure he'll have revoked naturalization status as well by then.)

 

[Anonymous X]

The only silver lining is that the hardships MIGHT just wake enough people up so that we can start dismantling the far right machines that have lead us here. You can only push lower class citizens so far before they fight back. It's gonna get ugly, it's gonna get violent and it all could have been avoided.....

That could happen, but I’ve seen what’s happened with Brexit here. The blame for all the economic carnage was deflected elsewhere by TPB, and the “the government aren’t doing it properly/it was never enacted” narrative by prominent Brexiteers drowns out everything in the media. Then the then-opposition, now the government, basically adopted the rightwing, nationalist outlook and policy book to the letter, just with a different rhetorical spin.

 

[Anonymous X]

Tariffs aren’t going to work out well for anyone.

 

[Dekafox]

Interesting that Wisconsin is China and not Canada... due to cheese manufacturing perhaps?

 

[wonko the sane?]

What are those three states getting from germany?

 

[abates]

Looks like cars. BMW has a plant in South Carolina.

 

[Ungnome]

Cars, most likely.

 

[Pocket]

Well, car parts. No one ships entire cars over the ocean anymore except to places like Australia. Other than enthusiasts buying foreign cars that are over 25 years old for the novelty value.

 

[Ungnome]

That might actually be the case in MD. There are a lot of people with a lot of disposable income in parts of MD. I live in MD and I've been tempted to get myself a kei van, but those are Japanese, not German and I don't exactly have the cash on hand to pull the trigger(even though, price wise, they are quite a bit cheaper than most German imports would be).

 

[Pocket]

Showerthought: Would Trump even be allowed to impose tariffs on Canada or Mexico? I thought NAFTA, and the USMCA that replaced it, makes it impossible to do that without negotiating a new trade agreement. Which obviously Canada and Mexico are not going to agree to if there's nothing in it for them.

In fact, I kind of wonder if Trump's actual plan is to do the same thing he did during his first term: propose massive sweeping changes (without saying what changes exactly, only that they would be massive and sweeping), actually make only superficial ones, and bask in the media's adoration for displaying

 

[wonko the sane?]

Except he actually DID impose tariffs last time and it wrecked large swaths of the economy.

 

[Rhinox]

Cool. Look forward to the next ruination. Let them eat cake.

 

[Pale Rider]

FB friend:

People need to stop analyzing "why Trump won" as if there are rational reasons. Trump won because there are too many stupid people in America. Take away the tens of millions of deranged half-wit evangelical religious fanatics who think he was Chosen By God, and his (slim) margin of victory disappears.

Yes, taking away this bloc wouldn't reduce his support base to zero, but so what? It would have turned his victory into a loss, so it's completely fair to say that he won because of these insane cretins.

 

[Axaday]

So apparently there is a never-before-used Presidential power to force the Senate into recess. There is talk now that Trump might use that if the Senate doesn't agree to his nominees. That will surely not fly with the Supreme Court. It was the conservatives that ruled in 2014 that only the Christmas recess would count.

I kind of home he tries it.

I think it is clear to anyone who isn't a numbskull that the ability to make recess appointments is a stop gap in case of a critical job that gets vacated when the Senate cannot perform its normal duty. You couldn't use it to appoint someone that they had already "advised" against or wait until their recess and then have an emergency need to fill the job. Actually SHUTTING DOWN the Senate so that you can have an emergency...

 

[KidTDragon]

So apparently there is a never-before-used Presidential power to force the Senate into recess. There is talk now that Trump might use that if the Senate doesn't agree to his nominees. That will surely not fly with the Supreme Court.

I'll take that bet.

 

[Wheelimus]

Yeah, this Supreme Court may well rubber stamp Trump's plan, whatever piece of evil it is.