Harris-Walz / Dems
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You can wait them out if you want. There are less and less Boomers every year.
I'm really not saying they need to be heard. I'm saying they need to feel seen. That's if you want to turn some of them. It's not easy. I'm not the guy for the job.
I don't know how they can be turned when they're constantly drip-fed bullshit from Fox News and refuse to give it up because they're hopelessly addicted to their own confirmation bias.
It's already been proven that when you separate them from the propaganda: they rehabilitate. That's not in question. The question is: how do we, as a society, create the conditions that allow them to rehab?
Set Rupert Murdoch and his entire company on fire?
It's not just that he makes them think he cares about them specifically: he also supports their hate towards others. He's openly racists, sexist, bigoted and mean in general. This is permission for his followers to do the same.
But would one be as effective without the other?
Effective at what?
At winning election, yes I think so. I don't have the proof in my hands yet, but I think the Trump thing has lost its effectiveness at winning an election. Trump definitely has openly racist and xenophobic supporters. He definitely has conspiracy nut supporters. Some of those people wouldn't vote if the GOP nominated a more conventional conservative, but a lot of them would. They aren't voting for a Democrat, you know? And the GOP would pick up more people who aren't very politically polarized who are turned off by Trump's....whole thing. Yes, I think the GOP would be more successful if they would alienate that stuff. Trump has raised a group of lesser politicians who are dyed in his wool, but the bulk of the GOP leadership people worships Trump because of how much trouble he can put them in individually. My Dad is definitely voting for Trump but he would much rather vote for Romney again. Or, you know, if things really got in a place to repudiate Trumpism, Paul Ryan is very well replaced to ride that wave. He left because he didn't like the Trumpism and I know he's publicly said he'll be writing someone in in this election. He ran for VP before and was Speaker of the House. I'm not standing him up as somebody WE should love. I haven't kept track of what he's done since leaving office and the conservative platform in general isn't what me or pretty much anyone participating in this forum nowadays prefers, but I'd strongly prefer for the GOP to be nominating someone where we'd be worrying about businesses and rich folks paying their fair share in taxes and blocking expansion of diversity instead of all of that AND screwing up alliances and foreign policy and making people hate their neighbors and publicly making fun of people who disagree with him and doing crimes and running for office to get away with it and so on and so forth.
You guys remember 20 years ago when the problem was that the President had gotten us into a war with weak justification and there wasn't a clear way out and the NSA might be listening to our phone calls? That stuff seems kind of tame now, but we could go back to that and I would be happier.
At winning election, yes I think so. I don't have the proof in my hands yet, but I think the Trump thing has lost its effectiveness at winning an election. Trump definitely has openly racist and xenophobic supporters. He definitely has conspiracy nut supporters. Some of those people wouldn't vote if the GOP nominated a more conventional conservative, but a lot of them would. They aren't voting for a Democrat, you know? And the GOP would pick up more people who aren't very politically polarized who are turned off by Trump's....whole thing. Yes, I think the GOP would be more successful if they would alienate that stuff. Trump has raised a group of lesser politicians who are dyed in his wool, but the bulk of the GOP leadership people worships Trump because of how much trouble he can put them in individually. My Dad is definitely voting for Trump but he would much rather vote for Romney again. Or, you know, if things really got in a place to repudiate Trumpism, Paul Ryan is very well replaced to ride that wave. He left because he didn't like the Trumpism and I know he's publicly said he'll be writing someone in in this election. He ran for VP before and was Speaker of the House. I'm not standing him up as somebody WE should love. I haven't kept track of what he's done since leaving office and the conservative platform in general isn't what me or pretty much anyone participating in this forum nowadays prefers, but I'd strongly prefer for the GOP to be nominating someone where we'd be worrying about businesses and rich folks paying their fair share in taxes and blocking expansion of diversity instead of all of that AND screwing up alliances and foreign policy and making people hate their neighbors and publicly making fun of people who disagree with him and doing crimes and running for office to get away with it and so on and so forth.
You guys remember 20 years ago when the problem was that the President had gotten us into a war with weak justification and there wasn't a clear way out and the NSA might be listening to our phone calls? That stuff seems kind of tame now, but we could go back to that and I would be happier.
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AOC: RIGHT AGAIN.
www.newsweek.com
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez lashes out at "predatory" Jill Stein
In an Instagram story on Sunday, the New York congresswoman accused Stein and the Green Party for only putting its emphasis on presidential elections.
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I'm of two minds on this. Would it be better for the Dems for her not to run, likely yest, at least to some extent, but at the same time we need options outside of the Democrat and Republican sides. Frankly the whole electoral college system needs to be torn down and replaced with nationwide ranked choice on the presidential side of things, but that would take a constitutional amendment....
We need Trump and his cronies gone, first and foremost. We can't work on anything else until they're all out of the way, because they'll continue to stonewall everything as long as they can. Long term, yeah, we should get rid of the electoral college, but we need to get there first.
That's a fair statement, but there's a right and wrong way to have and be part of a legitimate third party. Stein and the green party in general are NOT putting in the work, they're literally just leeching: leeching attention, leeching money, and leeching off the inherent want from americans for an actual third party.
There wasn't serious interest in the reform party and ross perot: but the dude put in the work.
Walz proudly boasts he's in "the pocket" of unions in Labor Day remarks
From CNN's Aaron Pellish in Milwaukee
Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.
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Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz proudly boasted his ties to organized labor at a union event in Milwaukee on Monday, celebrating Labor Day by declaring himself in “the pocket” of unions.
The Democratic vice presidential nominee detailed his union membership as a former public school teacher, his record of backing unions in Congress and as Minnesota’s governor, and Vice President Kamala Harris’ support of unions.
Walz challenged Republicans to attack his support for unions while defending collective bargaining rights and fair working conditions.
“Republicans came up to me in one of my campaigns and they said, ‘Tim is in the pocket of organized labor.’ I said, that’s a damn lie. I am the pocket. … And I told them, if you want to attack me for standing up for collective bargaining, for fair wages, for safe working conditions, for health care and retirement, you roll the damn dice. I’ll take my chances on that,” he said.
The Minnesota governor emphasized the importance of union support to rebuilding the coalition of Midwestern battleground states that represent Harris’ clearest path to victory in November.
“We know exactly who built this country. It was labor that built this country,” Walz said. “We also know it was unions that built the ‘blue wall’ too, people, just to be very clear.”
Some pro-Palestinian protesters were escorted out of the event after they stood on benches in silent protest. Several of Harris’ speeches have been interrupted by demonstrators, reflecting the angst within her party over the Israel-Hamas conflict in Gaza.
This is weird. Tim Walz explicitly drew a distinction between his position and being in the pocket of organized labor and CNN, not Fox News, is here with a headline that the is proudly in the pocket of organized labor. He actually called that "a damn lie". I am sitting here not quite parsing what he means exactly. It sounds cool, but I'm.. just not sure what it means. Maybe CNN couldn't figure it out either.
Dude was a principal. He was IN a union.
I have such conflicted feelings about Liz Cheney.